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Old 10-24-2006, 12:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Forward facing pitman arm

I was reading through the FAQ page and in the steering section it showed a setup with the pitman arm facing forward and the knuckle arms reversed. Would this work when you move your axle forward instead of hacking up your core support. I have an '84 so I have to build a new mount for it anyway, so now would be the time to move the box around or put something else on. I was also looking through the Heep page and some of those guys are useing a box from an Astro van because it is designed with a forward pitman arm. This box mounts on the inside of the frame so I dont think it would work, but maybe it would or maybe there is a box from something else that might work? I dont really like the idea of butchering my core support. What do you guys think.
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Old 10-24-2006, 10:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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FJ-60 steering boxes have a forward facing pitman arm, and the box mounts outside the frame. You could still run the tie rod and drag link in front of the axle, and have plenty of clearence. Just remember, with a forward facing arm, as you turn, the drag link moves closer to the tie rod, where as with a rear facing arm, the drag link moves farther away.
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Old 10-24-2006, 11:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks. As long as I am replacing the box and fabbing a new mount for it I figured I might as well find a solution for moving the axle forward at the same time.
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Old 10-24-2006, 11:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I used an FJ60 steering box on the front of my Samurai with a Toyota axle and high steer kit.

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Old 10-24-2006, 11:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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it seems like such an easy fix for moving your axle way forward, is there a reason it isn;t more popular?

most people already have ifs boxes, and don;t feel like spending the cash?
or most are not moving their axle that far forward?
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Old 10-24-2006, 12:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
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FJ parts aren't all that common...or cheap.
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Old 10-24-2006, 01:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Scout boxes and 78-79 Ford FSB's also have forward facing pitman arms right?
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yes but if im not mistaken dont they mount on the inside of the frame?
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Old 10-24-2006, 04:50 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Nope... I know for sure that the scout box is out side the frame and I am pretty sure the ford box is out side. I ran the fj box on my yota and it worked great, but it didnt like my v8 swap very well....

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Old 10-24-2006, 10:08 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks guys from the look of things it seems like a good idea if you are moving your axle forward ( I plan to as mine rubs really bad with just 32's ) I think I will try to find an FJ box and see what I can do with it. I would rather use Toyota parts if possible but if its to hard to find I will probably find a Scout or other box that will work for this. I am assuming with all the American V6/V8 swaps into Toyotas that it won't be to hard to hook up the lines if I have to go that route.

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Old 10-25-2006, 04:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Nope... I know for sure that the scout box is out side the frame and I am pretty sure the ford box is out side. I ran the fj box on my yota and it worked great, but it didnt like my v8 swap very well....

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What was the issue with the V-8 swap? I am always looking for ways to move my front axle forward.
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Old 10-25-2006, 04:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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FJ parts aren't all that common...or cheap.
We now have the FJ60 reverse cut steering boxes in stock for $449.
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I've been wondering somthin for a while: are the guts between minitruck and FJ-60 boxes interchangeable (including sector shaft, etc)? I've read here that the seal kits are the same... which would lead me to believe that they're at least very similar.

My "theory" being, if you can get the guts from a fj60 box and drop it into a minitruck box, you could (on a sas'ed truck) get forward swing without screwing around with moving the box mounts since the mini has three mount feet and the fj60 four mount feet...
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We now have the FJ60 reverse cut steering boxes in stock for $449.
Actually, I'd say 'Reverse valving..'..

There is no cutting difference that I can tell, other than the flow of power steering fluid is reversed by the steering valve from an IFS box.
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Thanks Chris you guys have been a big help in a number of areas. You guys are at the top of my list for a number of parts as I slowly try to help my baby Toy to grow up.

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Old 10-26-2006, 08:16 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Actually, I'd say 'Reverse valving..'..

There is no cutting difference that I can tell, other than the flow of power steering fluid is reversed by the steering valve from an IFS box.
The gears operate the opposite way from an IFS box. Just holding the box in your hand and turning the input you can see that the sector shaft turns the other way. The flow also must be reversed so that it will assist the gears. Both the gears and the flow of fluid need to work together.
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The gears operate the opposite way from an IFS box. Just holding the box in your hand and turning the input you can see that the sector shaft turns the other way. The flow also must be reversed so that it will assist the gears. Both the gears and the flow of fluid need to work together.
bringing an old thread back..Chris, I'm not sure what you mean here..do you need to switch the locations where the high and low pressure lines bolt into the box? I'm not talking for hyrdo assist but the lines to the box, from the pump and back to the reservoir.
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bringing an old thread back..Chris, I'm not sure what you mean here..do you need to switch the locations where the high and low pressure lines bolt into the box? I'm not talking for hyrdo assist but the lines to the box, from the pump and back to the reservoir.
The power assist lines do not change position. You remove the IFS box, and Install the FJ60/62/80 box and reconnect the lines in the same place. Now the pitman arm turns the opposite way.
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that's what I thought, thanks!! How come TG doesn't sell FJ60/62/80 boxes already drilled and tapped for hydro assist? No demand?
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that's what I thought, thanks!! How come TG doesn't sell FJ60/62/80 boxes already drilled and tapped for hydro assist? No demand?
I wish we could but we can't get enough cores for rebuilding.
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