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Old 04-22-2007, 10:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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VW/Toy Diesel swaps

Im looking into swaping in some sort of diesel into my 85 4runner, and this thread is more less just going to be a place that i can put links/info that I find so i dont end up forgetting stuff and having to search for things Ive already found. If any one has any links to builds/swaps they know of post them up, but mainly Im just going to start putting every thing I find in here.

What I want in the swap:
1.To be able to run a mix of homebrew bio and pump diesel

2.CHEAP- the cheaper the better, what is cheap? Right now I dont know.

3.Power comparable to a 22re (112 hp at 4600 rpm and 142 ft·lb at 3400 rpm)-3rz (150 hp at 4800 RPM with 177 ftlb at 4000 RPM), I would like 100-125+ horses and 125-170+ft/lbs more is better, yet still be reliable.

forums
http://toyotadiesel.com/forums/index.php
http://forums.tdiclub.com/ - Volkswagen TDIs
http://www.hiluxsurf.co.uk/forums/index.php- UK forum
http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/- Austrailian forum
http://www.sr5.net/bbs/index.html - Thailand forum, looks pretty outdated and clustered, but Ive seen alot of references to it.

forum discussions
http://www.dieseldoctor.com/messageboard/data/474.html - List of toyota parts sources, talk of 2l,2lt,3l swaps- pretty cluttered though
http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=13098 A guy who swaped a 2L-T into a 1993 4x4 single cab some good disscussion
http://www.toyotadiesel.com/phpBB2/v...0c33f330a6c331 - 2LII-T swaped into a 1989 pickup
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=172946some biodiesel talk
http://www.vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewto...er=asc&start=0 Tuning for power on a VW 1.9 TD

Builds/write ups
http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/toyotadiesel/ - Toyota 2LII-T diesel engine into a 1989 Toyota XtraCab truck - Best source yet, Good FAQ
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread...ghlight=toyota 1.9L TDI into 86 4runner
/forum/toyota-truck-4runner/354974-few-pics-my-turbo-diesel-install.html Rockclod's 1.6 VW Turbo Diesel into 85/87 truck
http://toyotadiesel.com/forums/showt...ght=volkswagen 1.9t engine code AAZ
into 84 xtra cab 4x4
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=176999 1996 1.9 1Z TDI into 1991 Toyota truck


specs/FAQs
URL="http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/9975/dataBySubject/DieselEngines.html - Lots of Toyota Diesel specs
http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/ - TDI FAQ
http://www.showmesome.info/hilux/inf...load_links.htm - Electronic parts catalogs -part numbers for japanese spec motors-


Manufactures/companys
URL="http://www.dieseltoyz.com/ - seems to deal mostly with late model toyotas
URL="http://www.acmeadapters.com/ - VW TDI to W series adapters
http://www.kennedyeng.com/ - Rumured to also make VW TDI to W series adapters
http://jarcoinc.com/ - Japanese front cut importers
http://www.asapmotors.com/ - another importer that can get Diesel toys
http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...?siteid=214074 - Cheap place to get factory parts
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Awsome keep up the good work, I would like to come acrost some ideas for a new motor for my truck, toyota Diesels are way to expensive.
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Looking forward to your thread updates - this is exactly what I want to do to my '85 4Runner.
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Are you set on VW diesel or have you thought about the 4bt cummins?
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Are you set on VW diesel or have you thought about the 4bt cummins?
Im not really set on anything right now, I do want to keep my w56 tranny and the tcases ect. Ive seen the 4bt brought up before but havent looked into it much. They came with a nv 4500 behind it correct? I like the torque figures something like 300 ftlbs and 100 hp. Any one know about adapting the 4bt to a w series tranny?
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check out 4btswaps.com I think that there are a couple toyotas with 4bts
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I am wrapping up VW 1.6TD install into a 2wd toyota pickup. I got it running but havent driven it yet. I used the Acme kit to mount to the transmission and fabricated the rest my self, nothing too complicated but was a bit time consuming. I am building this truck as a commuter and to run errands, if I ever decide to SAS it, I might swap in a TDI to get more power. With the mode I've done I am expecting at least the same power as the 22r I pulled out. I have a write up but it sucks since the host for the pics shut down
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Taggage, I'm interested in this too.
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You should check out Mr. Willymammoth's build over at Marlins Forum.

http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=6472.0

He uses a turbo charged Nissan Diesel.
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I have a '97 VW TDI in my daily driver '86 4Runner. I'm using the Acme kit also. Mine is running full electronics which is not too common but the driveability and economy is great. You can go with an M-TDI also using a modified injector pump to delete the electronics if you want.
Power stock is 90hp 150lb/ft they are very easily modified also. You can gain 20hp and 50lb/ft with just a injector nozzle upgrade. I've done this and I'm pretty happy with the power and there is alot more I can do if I need more.
I'm running all VW accesories including the ps pump, 120amp alt. all in the stock location with the stock serpentine setup.

I have one crappy, small pic of it right now.
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Great build up here also.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354974
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couble of 4bts into fj55s

/forum/toyota-land-cruiser/410514-tech-contest-cruiser-buildup.html
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=92355

I think the weight and size may be an issue with the cummins. Appearently they weigh about 750 lbs dry. The height of the engine required some lift on the 55s, not sure how their hood height compares to a minitruck.

The 3bt, b3.3t, may be a better option. Its weight is maybe around 550?
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you can also do a chip upgrade to teh vw deisle that will give you about a 35% increase.. Driving a vw and working in a vw shop i plan on doing the swap some day...
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A 4bt into a mini is going to be a bit tight. It will fit, bc i have seen them, but they are over 700 pounds dressed and the last gen 4bt for an automotive application was 170hp and 420 pound feet of torque. That is a 16V common rail motor I believe, so the older motors would not have that much power. I dont know of a way to bolt a yota tranny to a 4bt, or if it will handle the power. Bellhousing is SAE 2 or 3 and some came with GM patterns for manual and auto trannies.

I would rather have the VW motor as its lighter and smaller and you can get the same amount of power out of it as the 4bt (maybe a bit less tq than the CRD version) Mods are available for VW diesels (TDI & PD) to get 250 hp and 400 tq at the crank. Though this will take some $$$, you can do it for sure..

Good luck and keep us posted...
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So far its looking like the TDI is my choice. Ive more or less excused the 4bt from the line up

4BT

the weight. several places are saying approx 700lbs assembled and ready to go.
Lack of Toyota tranny options

The Toyota Diesels 2lt, 2lteII ect

keeping it all Toyota is just cool
More or less a bolt in deal, both the tranny and (I belive the motor mounts too)
But...
An import from japan is 3000$
parts have to be ordered through the stealership.
Not alot of aftermarket support
dont respond well to being juiced up notorious for cracked heads

Volkswagen 1.9 TDI

Lots of aftermarket support
easily available parts
available adapters for the toy trans
weight and general diminsions
But...
Its looking like its going to be pricy
I want to find a complete donor vehicle, or a vehicle that I can pull everything from + the adapter + larger injector nozzles, chip, ect
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You might know this already but look for 99.5 and earlier TDI donors. They don't have the factory immobilizer stuff and it makes the swap much easier. If you use a later car, you have to use the cluster also. There are also custom chips available to delete the egr and even the MAF if you want to.

deepmud on here has a Samurai with a mechanical TDI engine and Toy drivetrain, that is another option. It uses the newer TDI engine with a hybrid mechanical injector pump.
You can find deals on them but you really have to look around. I searched around for a few months before I found mine.
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If you want to keep it toy, looks like the 1kz-te 3.0 diesel would be a good swap. That's my conclusion after researching heavily for the last couple of days.
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If you want to keep it toy, looks like the 1kz-te 3.0 diesel would be a good swap. That's my conclusion after researching heavily for the last couple of days.
I agree too the 1kz is a pretty bad ass looking setup, but those are gonna be way outta my price range with a halfcut starting at 4000. Really I dont want to put more than 3000 into the whole swap, realistically it will probally be the end of summer before I can actually start looking to even buy a motor.
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www.roadlessgear.com has an adapter plate for VW to W series. ACME has great support tho'. I got the ACME plate and modified Toyota flywheel.



The torque is great on the TDI - I am running stock toy tcase and 4.88's in the diffs and can spin 45" tractor tires at idle.
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A 4bt into a mini is going to be a bit tight. It will fit, bc i have seen them, but they are over 700 pounds dressed and the last gen 4bt for an automotive application was 170hp and 420 pound feet of torque. That is a 16V common rail motor I believe, so the older motors would not have that much power. I dont know of a way to bolt a yota tranny to a 4bt, or if it will handle the power. Bellhousing is SAE 2 or 3 and some came with GM patterns for manual and auto trannies.

I would rather have the VW motor as its lighter and smaller and you can get the same amount of power out of it as the 4bt (maybe a bit less tq than the CRD version) Mods are available for VW diesels (TDI & PD) to get 250 hp and 400 tq at the crank. Though this will take some $$$, you can do it for sure..

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wouldnt bother with a 1kzte unless you have cash to burn..

http://tlc.off-road.com/tlc/article/....jsp?id=264200

3L motor making 115hp and 220 tq, not great... can easily get that out of a 1.9L VW...foreign reviews on the 1kzte say the torque curve is great and its smooth and quiet, which counts for a lot. Getting a 4wd front cut or half cut would be sweet, but $$$$.

VW 1.9 mechanical motors can be had for $1000 or so, TDI are more and PD are even more. The TDI is probably the simplest to mod for light power, chip it, intake and exhaust, etc and good power results. Check Fred's forum and you can read for weeks about VW diesels.. tdiclub.com

Got this from a well known TDI vendor about 2 years ago...

Yes, we have our own software that provides the serious tuner with actual editing screens for engine parameters (boost, fueling, and timing) and visual tuning maps. The bad news is that we only do this on turbo-diesels, and avoid gas applications. The custom tuning diesel versions for off-road are accompanied with hardware changes such as, larger turbo's, bigger injectors, and custom induction/intercooler/exhaust systems. I can recommend a serious builder a wicked-awesome combination of parts for a 200hp TDI, and 325 ft-lb torque monster (wheel numbers) on a distributor pump engine, stock bottom end and with bolt-on mod's. (22psi continuous boost). We are also working on a bigger monster PD engine.

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wouldnt bother with a 1kzte unless you have cash to burn..

http://tlc.off-road.com/tlc/article/....jsp?id=264200

3L motor making 115hp and 220 tq, not great... can easily get that out of a 1.9L VW...foreign reviews on the 1kzte say the torque curve is great and its smooth and quiet, which counts for a lot. Getting a 4wd front cut or half cut would be sweet, but $$$$.

VW 1.9 mechanical motors can be had for $1000 or so, TDI are more and PD are even more. The TDI is probably the simplest to mod for light power, chip it, intake and exhaust, etc and good power results. Check Fred's forum and you can read for weeks about VW diesels.. tdiclub.com

Got this from a well known TDI vendor about 2 years ago...

Yes, we have our own software that provides the serious tuner with actual editing screens for engine parameters (boost, fueling, and timing) and visual tuning maps. The bad news is that we only do this on turbo-diesels, and avoid gas applications. The custom tuning diesel versions for off-road are accompanied with hardware changes such as, larger turbo's, bigger injectors, and custom induction/intercooler/exhaust systems. I can recommend a serious builder a wicked-awesome combination of parts for a 200hp TDI, and 325 ft-lb torque monster (wheel numbers) on a distributor pump engine, stock bottom end and with bolt-on mod's. (22psi continuous boost). We are also working on a bigger monster PD engine.
Now thats what Im looking for! I just need to find a motor, Ive been keeping my eyes open on TDIclub, ebay ect. But if anyone finds anything of interest maybe PM me. Thanks
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Mike, call Lockwood Auto Salvage and ask for Tom, he is the VW guy I was telling you about (he also the owner) he might be able to help you out.
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i think my kubota/toyota is rated @ 65hp and it gets me around just fine. it will only go about 75mph but it works fine at the farm and around town. plenty of power for rockcrawling but leaves something to be desired on the interstate. unfortunately I dont suppose everyone has an extra kubota v2003t laying around to hook up to a toyota. Lately i have had my eye on a engine made by international mwm called the HS2.8L that seems like it may be a good canidate for a diesel swap not sure on price or availability yet. i believe there is a company called TLC that is making new fj40s that have this engine as an option.www.tlcicon.com
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