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Old 09-21-2007, 10:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mechanical Fuel Injection for your Toy!!!



ONLY $399.95

http://www.zuksoffroad.net/toyota_engine.htm

I wish I would have bought this instead of my Webber!!!!!

more info

http://www.zuksoffroad.net/forum/ind...54d6&topic=4.0

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Old 09-21-2007, 10:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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looks cool but where is the yellow star
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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this guy is in oregon, the business is in az.
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No im not selling, just thought it was cool.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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wonder how easy it is to tune?
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:15 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I see it in ORE (off-road enthusiast) magazine they had a writeup on it. They say it can be installed in 4-5 hours.

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Old 09-22-2007, 06:44 AM   #7 (permalink)
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IF MECHICANICAL IS SO GOOD, WHY DOES EVERYONE USE ELECTRONIC THESE DAYS?
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:20 AM   #8 (permalink)
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a guy at my tech school had it on his vw fox and he was always tuning that thing on the dyno, i dont think he even got it tuned in right. it would either run good on the top end or bottom end never both
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:33 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Seems like this would help with steep angles and the better fuel atomization would make better power on less gas. That's the only improvement I'd see over the carbs.

But I doubt the mixture control is improved and spark timing isn't optimized.

That flexible fuel delivery is sexy though. I'd take that and a modified 20R intake, and go megasquirt.
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On second thought, the fuel delivery mechanism is mechanical so maybe it can't be activated via electronic pulse.
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Old 09-22-2007, 08:05 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The sammy guys love the system from this guy on their suzuki 1.3's
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:11 AM   #12 (permalink)
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have any of you ever worked on that kind of system?
it works good when it working but if you have a prob it can be hard to diagnose.
its easy to tweek but hard to fine tune.
my rabbit had it, specs were

shaved head
solid lifter big cam
dual dump manifold
2.5" exhaust
mk2 throttle body
high volume fuel pump
audi injectors
ran low 14's

the prob that i had was, it run great all the time except when i was at cruising speed it had a slight mis

you can get that system from pnp from a lot of cars

audi
vw
mercedes
volvo
posche
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IF MECHICANICAL IS SO GOOD, WHY DOES EVERYONE USE ELECTRONIC THESE DAYS?
I don't think it's a matter of being better than EFI, but being a cheaper means of geting injected. I learned about it in school, thought the idea was neat, but was extremely complicated.

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Porsche used a mechanical FI system in it's street and some race cars until 1973. When properly tuned the throttle response is like nothing else, but even under the best conditions, they used a lot of fuel, and there's no way in hell you could get that to pass any kind of smog requirements, FWIW.
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Porsche used a mechanical FI system in it's street and some race cars until 1973. When properly tuned the throttle response is like nothing else, but even under the best conditions, they used a lot of fuel, and there's no way in hell you could get that to pass any kind of smog requirements, FWIW.

Do I need to dig out all my passed smog tests on my 83 GTI and my Moms 87 Jetta?
Passes just fine. VW ran it into the 90's. Still hate that system.

The System on the 22RE is Bosch L-Jetronic (it is under license) and nearly identical to the FI used on a lot of Porsche's and VW's in the mid 70's

Hell if you want to easily retrofit some FI get some Bosch D-Tronic. Its multi point. It runs a MAP sensor. It could easily be adapted to a 22RE intake plenum bu just T-ing in the MAP sensor off the Vac line to the Brake booster Should be able to use the stock 22RE ignitior to send a signal to the computer. No AFM to deal with. It doesn't do timing advance so you might have to make a hybrid distributor out of a Carb distributor.
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Do I need to dig out all my passed smog tests on my 83 GTI and my Moms 87 Jetta?
Passes just fine. VW ran it into the 90's. Still hate that system.
Those engines were designed for it. Come on now you know that camshaft profile, intake design, and combustion chamber all play into the smog results. I understand the Suziki guys wanting cheap FI, but I doubt they're getting smog legal results, adding it on to a completely different engine.

And your last statement is why the Porsche guys that can properly tune a mechanical system, get the big bucks.
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And your last statement is why the Porsche guys that can properly tune a mechanical system, get the big bucks.
No they get the big bucks because it says Porsche and Porsche owners seem to think you have to pay ungodly prices for anything done on their car when in reality a Good VW bus mechanic is just as talented at half the price because other then the number of cylinders and a in some cases a turbo it is damn near the same thing.

Still hate that damn KE-Jetronic. It SUCKS to work on. I learned how to work on cars on a 72 Porsche 914 and a 73 VW 412 with D-Jetronic. Then graduated to a 82 Vanagon with "L" then the KE (Mechanical) in my 83 GTI. That damn KE sucked ass and plagued with electrical issues mostly from underspecified wringing and plugs. My Mom's Jetta we finale just had to pay a guy to drive the car for a week and swap parts till the problem went away. I could not find the problem and it was down to throwing money at it. Found a local guy that had a good rep and plenty of used parts to jam in it to try to make the problem go away. Turned out to be a burned up fuse box causing intermittent power problems to the pump. Just a shitty design and Bosch designed the whole electrical system in those cars so it was Bosch's doing that it was under specked


When I talked to Ted when building my 22 He said he could not find an appreciable cam profile difference between a Carb and FI cam in the 22R's. That's why he doesn't sell a different cam for each. The cam profile might be more of a issue on a MAP sensor driven FI but on a Airflow metered FI it may not matter in the least. It will flow what it can flow regardless of intake vacuum.
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i would just like to know how well it works.

does anyone use this?

does it work well at angles?

does it work well cold?

does it save any gas?

does it add any power?

i have a 75 pickup and would love some FI for cheap.
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just swap re stuff on, rollie did it for what $150 in 1 day
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does re stuff work on a pre smog 20r?

the add for $400 does not include parts you would need to get off a vw or audi.

the add asks for more $ to have these parts included.
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re stuff on a pre smog 20r?

the add for $400 does not include parts you would need to get off a vw or acura.

the add asks for more $ to have these parts included.
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