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Old 11-12-2009, 06:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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22RE head gasket

Okay, I'm kicking myself! About 20,000 miles ago I replaced the worn out motor in my '85. My buddy had a good used (recently rebuilt) short block that I bolted a rebuilt head to (I used a machine shop that I really trust) with new head bolts. Well, in the quest to save a little money, I used an off brand gasket set (one of those asian engine sites on the internet).......it was Chinese but, it looked like good quality stuff and now I need to replace the head gasket! I know, don't say it I have always used OEM head gaskets before and I should have this last time. I don't want to do this a third time so, I'm asking.......anybody recommend Felpro (only thing I'll use on my V8 rebuilds) or stick with the factory Japanese stuff.......Flame suit on, have at it! And yes I searched......just want some fresh opinions-------------Hans
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I've never had a problem with felpro. Just fyi, you shouldn't buy chinese knock-offs for japanese engines.
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I've never had a problem with felpro......
Yeah, but would you rate them as better than the OEM stuff?

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....... Just fyi, you shouldn't buy chinese knock-offs for japanese engines.
I, know (hanging my head in shame)------------Hans
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I don't know about better than OEM. How can one put a rating on, "It works, or it doesn't". They don't seem to work any longer, or less than OEM. Also, make sure to follow proper torque specs when installing the head. You go out of order, and you can mess something up. There is even a removal order. The manufacturer specifies that improper removal can even cause warping of the head, in turn causing head gasket failure. The removal order is the same order as installation. Only, 1/4 turns at a time, in order, until all are loose.
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I don't know about better than OEM. How can one put a rating on, "It works, or it doesn't". They don't seem to work any longer, or less than OEM.
A lot of guys on here have different opinions/experiences with Felpro vs OEM, just trying to gather additional data before doing it again

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...... Also, make sure to follow proper torque specs when installing the head. You go out of order, and you can mess something up. There is even a removal order. The manufacturer specifies that improper removal can even cause warping of the head, in turn causing head gasket failure. The removal order is the same order as installation. Only, 1/4 turns at a time, in order, until all are loose.
I am very familiar with the procedure, having done several head gaskets/rebuilds. Just made an error in judgement when selecting head gasket brand. And actually, removal is the reverse sequence of the install ie. .......last bolt tightened = first bolt loosened Thanks for the input!----------Hans
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I personally say stick with the factory hg. I have blown a felpro as well as 2 friends of mine, as soon as we made the swap to the factory gasket, we have not had a problem sence.
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Buy FelPro and keep me in a job!!

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Headgaskets are not the place to cut corners - go with the best which is OEM.
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And what kinda discount do we get for keeping you in a job? except Pay Pal?
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dont forget to check the torque after a few hundred miles...

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And actually, removal is the reverse sequence of the install ie. .......last bolt tightened = first bolt loosened Thanks for the input!----------Hans
I had a brainfart while typing it. Couldn't remember if it was same, or opposite. Got to that line, and went "duh!".

Fact is, alot of guys do cut corners on the head gaskets. Even when buying a felpro. Last I knew, they had several "grades" of gaskets. Such as OEM spec replacement, performance upgrade, long life, or however they list them. Too many people go with the "economy" version, and wonder why it fails. I run hundred's of thousands of mile on mine. As an example, I have people ask me how I make my brakes last while they change theirs 2x as much. I spend the extra $$ and get the higher performance ceramics, where they buy the economy grade bi-metals. There's a reason as to why it's cheaper.
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Old 11-13-2009, 05:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I just blew a felpro one some are good some arent its all about prep bolts torque and such
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Headgaskets are not the place to cut corners - go with the best which is OEM.
You're right and the stupid thing is I know better! I've have always used OEM before and have never had any problems. Saved a couple of bucks (and just a couple, mind you!) and gained a headache.......doh! Another thing I have noticed, rebuilt motors never last as long as the originals. I had my last motor rebuilt (the one I just replaced) by a very reputable machine shop (wasn't cheap!) and it barely made it to 100,000 miles. Oh, yeah I replaced the head gasket on that one at about 70,000 miles and it finally died when I lost the rings in one of the cylinders........sigh. Maybe it's time to build a stroker. I have that other motor sitting on the stand -----------Hans
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Old 11-15-2009, 08:04 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Don't forget to clean out the bolt holes with a thread chaser. Especially the 2nd and 4th on the exhaust side.
Toyota offers three different rod and main bearing sizes for stock rotating assemblies (stamped into the block on the oil pain gasket surface),where as aftermarket is either "stock" or under sized for a ground crank.
I think that is why the factory build always seems to last much longer.
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