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Old 12-21-2010, 06:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tie Rod and Drag Link Material for HySteer

I am getting ready to order up material for my tie rod and drag link. I already have a set of hysteer arms from a vendor. I plan on using heim joints instead of rod ends. Also, down the line I would like to possibly reuse the heims on the Dana 60 I have sitting in the corner, so that may play into the size of the material.

What size material and heims would you recommend?
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1.5" 1/4" wall dom with 3/4" heims.
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Sounds good, that is what I have been coming up with.
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1.5" 1/4" wall dom with 3/4" heims.
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I used a Stock tie rod with bungs welded in and 1.5 DOM slid over it.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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if your going to be running the truck on road at all and have to pass any type of inspections you will need to run a safety washer on top of the hiem or run a double shear type connection. safetywise i would run atleast the safety washer just in case the heim decides to explode on you.
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I have never ever seen a heim explode.
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X2 on this but if that heim gives up And pops apart. You will lose control.
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the only times i have seen a heim broken are either the shank or the body breaking at the end of the round part.
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if your going to be running the truck on road at all and have to pass any type of inspections you will need to run a safety washer on top of the hiem or run a double shear type connection. safetywise i would run atleast the safety washer just in case the heim decides to explode on you.
His is a trail only rig so he's good. Good to see you finally cutting off that IFS, JT
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if your going to be running the truck on road at all and have to pass any type of inspections you will need to run a safety washer on top of the hiem or run a double shear type connection. safetywise i would run at least the safety washer just in case the heim decides to explode on you.
I have had a few tie rod ends brake and come off but in 25 years of wheeling have only ever broke a heim but never had it just come apart. But it sill isn't a bad idea anyway.
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But what about DOT inspections? You can pas with Heim joints? Who sells these safety washers?
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His is a trail only rig so he's good. Good to see you finally cutting off that IFS, JT
No inspections for me, tires stick out 5" past body, no roof or windshield only tube

The IFS is staying for a little while longer since I didn't get out enough with it last year, may weld the front over the winter to see if it can handle it, then the Land Cruiser axle will be waiting to go in once it blows. Or say the hell with it and drop the 1 tons in that I just picked up
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No inspections for me, tires stick out 5" past body, no roof or windshield only tube

The IFS is staying for a little while longer since I didn't get out enough with it last year, may weld the front over the winter to see if it can handle it, then the Land Cruiser axle will be waiting to go in once it blows. Or say the hell with it and drop the 1 tons in that I just picked up
Aww come on... you don't need tons, you can't even break the IFS
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But what about DOT inspections? You can pas with Heim joints? Who sells these safety washers?
DOT inspection? When and why would need a DOT inspection in CA? I smog my truck every 2 years and thats it.
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You want a BEEF tie rod and drag link? PM Bunk about solid CroMo cut and tapped to your needs. Tell him Trashy sent ya.


That's all I'll run on my junk, had one on the old yota axles and now on the 60 I'm more worried about the 3/4x5/8" CroMo heims and grade 8 bolts than I am about that tie rod.
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You want a BEEF tie rod and drag link? PM Bunk about solid CroMo cut and tapped to your needs. Tell him Trashy sent ya.
X2. Bunk made my lowers and mini tie rods for my double ended ram. When I did my stuff, Bunk recommended using a 3/4" x 7/8" heim.
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X2. Bunk made my lowers and mini tie rods for my double ended ram. When I did my stuff, Bunk recommended using a 3/4" x 7/8" heim.


He says he owes me another tie rod for hauling some tires for him so the next one will be 1 1/2" solid so I can step up to a 7/8" shank. The tow rig will get the old stuff.
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My rig has a tie rod that bunk did along with a few other rigs I have done.
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Heims (rod ends) are not DOT approved which means nothing in California, we do not have inspections. However, if a cop pulls you over and notices them they can have your vehicle impounded for un-safe vehicle, you pay all costs. Now you are going to say "most cops would not know the difference" which is true except the CHP, they know their shit. If you are in a MAJOR accident and your steering breaking causes it, and they inspect you could be found at fault for unsafe vehicle.

Now with all that said I have never been hassled as I drive down the road in my bead locked, full hydro, heim jointed rig in California-------------YET.
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We have a bunch of 1-1/8 solid 4130 heat treated rod. Makes great tie rods, your axle will bend first. We also have some 1-3/8 heat treated 4130.
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I am getting ready to order up material for my tie rod and drag link. I already have a set of hysteer arms from a vendor. I plan on using heim joints instead of rod ends. Also, down the line I would like to possibly reuse the heims on the Dana 60 I have sitting in the corner, so that may play into the size of the material.

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1.5" 1/4" wall dom with 3/4" heims.
If you're running hydro assist or single-ended full hydro, that's the minimum going in spec's as far as I'm concerned. I taco'd a tie-rod in BFE, and I don't tend to push my assist very hard. Moab 4x4 made me a new one that's been holding up just fine, but a buddy had one go south on his full hydro rig over Thanksgiving. I think the heim spec is fine as long as they're high quality, but a bigger diameter tube would be stronger, obviously.

Or you could just truss it like we did!
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your axle will bend first.
That is not saying much, considering it is a Toyota axle----LOL
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The only thing I can say as far as size goes, I would reccomend a 7/8 bore heim. I say this Because once you put in high misalignment spacers you are going to be down to a 3/4 bolt. I would want at least a 3/4" bolt holding it all together. As for material 1.5 .25 wall Dom minimum.
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Aww come on... you don't need tons, you can't even break the IFS
Hopefully I can get out more this coming year than this year. Rolling the rig early in the season put a big damper on things.

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