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Old 07-20-2010, 10:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Kaena Point Needs Offroaders Support

Please read this posting from the Friends of Kaena Point and fill out the survey SUPPORTING our sport on Oahu.

http://campaign.constantcontact.com/...aLI8NEYc9Jq289

http://www.friendsofkaena.org
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Old 07-20-2010, 10:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Please read this posting from the Friends of Kaena Point and fill out the survey SUPPORTING our sport on Oahu.

http://campaign.constantcontact.com/...aLI8NEYc9Jq289

http://www.friendsofkaena.org
wavesailr - so are you in favor of keeping it open to off-roader or making it off limits to them?
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Old 07-21-2010, 01:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have this posted on Hawaii 4x4 Association website:

I hope that some from the H4x4A will be able to attend this meeting. I have never heard of any iwi or burials of any sort being disturbed at Ka'ena point. I would be one the first to say shut the place down if there was ANY unearthing or disturbing of burials. The Hawaiian community and the burial council would have made a huge scene if anything thing like that had happened. This sounds very familiar to the one bogus story of the "witness" that said they saw a dirt bike doing donuts and "saw a bone fly out of the ground".

that being said...we do need to protect sensitive coastal areas, as well as native vegetation that may be in the area. These people need to provide detailed information as to the location of any suspected burials, and areas of native vegetation. We all know my stand point of things Hawaiian and I will not falter from my beliefs, but I also believe it unfair to ban vehicles from an area that should be accessible. If they do see fit to ban traffic from the area and that it is so sensitive that burials are being unearthed...then ban all non-cultural access to the area.

This is not inclusive of the reserve area at the very far end of Ka'ena that is walled of and is a bird sanctuary.

My final message is that, these people should be consulting a cultural practitioner or cultural specialist before making claims of any sort and should have that person referenced on their webpage. That being said, I will again say that I wil lend any and all cultural resources I have to the H4x4A for the purpose of wheeling with integrity and respect for the land.

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I agree with Nick. The thing is that if we had places to actually wheel things like this would be less of a problem...!!!!
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I sent in a survey supporting RESPONSIBLE Offroad Use. I'll be getting stationed at Wheeler AAF in a few months when I get back from deployment, so I am interested in what's going on out there.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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We need people to take the survey so the Ka'ena Point Advisory Group has more input from the 4x4 community. Please take the survey and tell your friends to do so as well. It is very important that we make our voices heard. Here is the survey again.
http://campaign.constantcontact.com/...aLI8NEYc9Jq289

We can also send comments to the KPAG to this email address. kpagcomments@gmail.com

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Old 07-28-2010, 06:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think last night almost every person blamed the 4wheelers for the damage out there. Most of the fishermen were for leaving KP the way it is or at least leaving as much access to the area. There were a many people from the community that wanted limited access via the upper road only and a few were wanting no vehicular access at all. Overall it seemed that most of the people still want access to KP, it just varies on how much.
It seems that the KPAG is considering the general consensus of the public, this includes the survey. That means we need to get the word out about them and get people to submit them. Most of the people that spoke did not want a permit system or major improvements, so they are saying now that the only real improvements would be a couple spots on the main road that are really bad and the possible addition of comfort stations so we aren't making shishi all over the native plants.
The president of the sandbox showed up and spoke, he tried to make sound it like the sandbox is the answer to the problem of nowhere to go to wheel. He also said they are waiting on permits from the state before they can open to the public.
I spoke for the group, expressing our initiative of responsible 4wheeling and that the people they have pictures of and the ones they see are a small handful of irresponsible wheelers. I also kinda scolded the Friends of Ka'ena for not recognizing us and including us in the problematic wheelers category and that WE were the ones who filled most of the dumpster from the beach cleanup and then sorted through it at the dump afterward. I also informed them that we do pay attention to native plants and cultural areas and that our organization has active Hawaiian Cultural Practitioners that teach the rest of us. I emphasized that the sandbox is a good start, but is not a fix because it is too small.
After I spoke, one of the Northshore board members asked me if we had seen the videos on youtube and the news and if we had any recommendation on how to keep people from wheeling irresponsibly. I didn't really say anything about the videos, but I did tell them that because there is no place for people to go and because KP has been used in that manner for many years, no matter how many rocks or pilings they put up, someone will go over or around them and still go wheeling. I told them that we had surveyed the area and submitted to DLNR a proposed area for wheeling, but we never heard back from them. They seemed interested in that area and would like a copy to review. I was also approached by a lady from the Hawaiian Peacemaking Project, she says that she would like to talk story and get some of our ideas for KP and other areas. I have never heard of them, but I'm sure some of you have. This could be a good help in getting our voices heard on the matters involving KP.

The last guy to speak made a great point. He started by talking about how when the military wanted to build a port in Yokohama bay and the road around the point, the fishermen said don't do it because the waves and current will destroy it. He said, " it seems they were right because there is no port and no road, so obviously the fishermen knew what they were talking about. Maybe we should be listening to them again". The main concern that I heard from the fishermen was the runoff into the ocean was not good for the fish and reefs. If we can help with the erosion by limiting the areas we use, they may be happy with us as enthusiasts.
After the meeting, a fisherman came to us and said that he feels for us because there is nowhere for us to go. His wife suggested talking to the military about land they don't use. Could be an option to look for.
The Ambassador of KP, I forgot his name, said to call him if there are any problems out there and just to see if there is anything we can help with. He was very supportive of us and encourages us to keep voicing our opinions. His number is 382-2009 and is one cool azz brada. On a side note, if your on Kauai during the banana poka festival, check it out because he also performs there and its a great family event, even if you don't have your own family yet.
I think we need to get together and formulate a plan to submit for consideration with the possibility of having a small area for wheeling. I think we also need to pursue some new areas, maybe private land owners and ag lands that are not being utilized.
I was also thinking last night about how it seems that the military doesn't do any training or education on Hawaiian values and the importance of the land and people. I for one know that it made a difference in my perception of life on the islands. I say this because when I first got here, the people in charge made it sound like the locals were not to be respected and to treat Hawaii like you are in a foriegn country that no one likes you. If we could get them educated, we may not have as many problems in the future. Just a thought.

I don't know how they took this haole's message (me), but hopefully we get a little more respect from now on.
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89lc, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORT IN REPRESENTING THE OFF-ROAD COMMUNITY!

even thou u look like one "haole" ur heart is HAWAIIAN! what u did and what u stood for was PONO!

did anyone else from the 4x4 association go to the hearing?
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Old 07-29-2010, 12:50 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks, thats what my lady tells me.
Three other guys were there too, but they didn't feel the need to stand up and speak after me.
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great job jesse, glad to see we got something across to them
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Old 07-30-2010, 06:24 PM   #11 (permalink)
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good job man....forget what color your skin is...if your solid then your solid..!!! not only haoles...there are a lot of dumb ass locals too...
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:13 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The haole remark was kind of a sarcastic inside joke. At the meeting, several "ha'oles" stood up and anounced to the group they were "haoles" and had been living there for __ years. I think they were insecure about who they were when talking to a crowd of mostly locals. Seriously, I see in grey, I don't care what color someone's skin is when it comes to who they are. It doesn't bother me when someone calls me a haole either, mostly because I figure that I probably do more for the community then they do.

I hope that we get can get some recognition in future meetings now. They tried to tippy toe around us so we couldn't have a chance to be heard. Now its time to really make them put a foot in their mouth. I might call up the ambassador of KP and see if we can be of service out there. Could be a great opportunity to show our force.
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I was at the meeting to represent H4x4A along with Jess, Jason and Fred..It was a good meeting I though and brought to attention the different concerns the different demographics that use Kaena had. The email that the Friends of Kaena Point sent out initially really slammed "offroaders" and as Jesi mentioned earlier, failed to fention we the H4x4A for helping to fill 2 dumpsters with trash as well as haul a couple vehicles out of the point on our own time. There was litterally four of us enthusiasts there but Jes did a great job at speaking for our community!...Walt Keale is the ambassador for KP and is really interested in educating anyone about our kupuna that rest there as well as other native flaura...call him up..we should fo show check him out!
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Aloha! I'm in Oahu now, is there anything else going on with Kaena Point?
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