FS Seeks Public Comment on Blacktail-Wild Bill project

[MT4Runner]

The Blacktail-Wild Bill National Recreation Trail is a part of the "Blacktail Island Unit" of the Swan Lake Ranger District of the Flathead National Forest, and was recognized as a BFG Outstanding Trail in 2008.

The original NRT was proposed by members of the Skyliners 4x4 club back in the 1970's, and saw relatively minor use until the past 5 years. The Swan Lake RD contacted the current Skyliners members due to concerns about woodcutters using the road to fell marketable timber for firewood, and asked if some obstacles/erosion control berms could be created.


The District is currently undertaking Travel Management, and is seeking public input on the trail system on the Blacktail Island Unit.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/flathead/nep...ls_Scoping.pdf

Public Comment Requested for Proposal to Improve Motorized and
Non-Motorized Trail Opportunities on Island Unit of Swan Lake Ranger District

The Swan Lake Ranger District of the Flathead National Forest is seeking public comment regarding some improved motorized and non-motorized trail recreation opportunities on National Forest System lands south and west of Kalispell surrounding Blacktail Mountain. This area of National Forest System lands is generally referred to as the Island Unit of the Swan Lake Ranger District.

The proposal, Island Unit Trail System Additions Project, is intended to develop a system of trails in the Island Unit for both motorized and non-motorized uses, consistent with environmental conditions and established agency standards for such trails.

Swan Lake District Resource Assistant Andrew Johnson said, “We have received several comments from members of the public, requesting both motorized and non-motorized trail opportunities in this area.” Johnson said, “It has been challenging to create a proposal that responds to these public requests, but we think we have a good start with this proposal.” Public feedback on the proposal is encouraged, and requested by January 15.

The proposed project includes:

• Additions to the Blacktail Wild Bill Off-Highway-Vehicle Trail with construction of about two miles of trail to establish a loop route, and expansion of the trailhead parking area at the north end of the trail system,
• Construction of an all-terrain-vehicle trail in the Upper Stoner Creek area and a parking and access-control structures on both ends of the trail,
• Construction of a non-motorized trail from Lakeside to Blacktail Mountain and a parking and trailhead facility, and
• Construction of about eight miles of non-motorized trail to connect the proposed Foys to Blacktail Trail with Blacktail Mountain.

In total, approximately 31 miles of new motorized trails is proposed, making use of approximately 28 miles of existing road and three miles of new trail construction. The proposal also includes a total of about 11 miles of new non-motorized, single-track trails.

Public comments regarding the Island Unit Trail System Additions Project should be directed to the Swan Lake District by January 15, 2010. The Forest Service will then review public comments, identify issues and develop alternatives for the proposal. It is anticipated that an environmental assessment will be completed in early summer of 2010 for this project.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/flathead/nep...d%20Action.pdf

[MT4Runner]

I haven't finished my letter, but some of my draft comments:

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

Some specific comments/thoughts people can use:
1. They did specifically omit one set of trails in the Patrick Creek area. These trails were a very popular day trip area from Kalispell and contained a very promising gravel pit. The area has seen a lot of misuse and abuse by people leaving shooting debris and high school keggers. Our club (and independent wheelers from Kalispell) have done a ton of trash cleanup in this area specifically. If the area is not included in the Travel Plan, I won't be as excited about cleaning up an area that is closed to us--but probably still will as a show of goodwill toward the FS.

2. The Foys to Blacktail Trail (north side of the Island Unit) is a great proposal for a single track non-motorized trail, but many of the proponents of this trail are very anti-ATV/motorcycle use, and ambivalent at best about 4x4 use. The existing Blacktail-Wild Bill National Recreation Trail predates their proposal, and we have tried to extend an olive branch to their group--even offering to help build their new trail segments--but haven't heard anything positive yet from their side. We need to note that we support the non-motorized uses in this area, but that we want to maintain protection of legitimate, responsible motorized trail use.

3. I don't know much about the Lakeside non-motorized trail or its proponents, hopefully they are in favor of multiple use.

4. ATV/Motorcycle users in the area are not organized, and some have cut "outlaw" trails in the area. The FS' inclusion of the under-50" trail Upper Stoner Creek loop on the east side of the Unit is a huge offer from the FS to this user group. If you know any trail riders, PLEASE make them aware of this and have them send comments. They haven't been actively looking out for their own interests, and this would is a great opportunity to do so now.

5. Prior scoping comments considered fullsize (over 50") OHV trails on the West side of the Island unit. The new fullsize trails on the east side would make an enormous scenic loop driving opportunity of the entire Island Unit. We would appreciate a non-technical scenic driving opportunity here. Rather than driving the existing "inverted-T shaped" trail up and back, or back on a road, you could drive an entire day and never leave a trail, nor follow your own tracks out. This would also extend full-size OHV use above Lakeside, which would be an economic benefit to businesses in Lakeside (restaurants, gas stations).

6. I fully support the conversion of route 9662 to a Motorized Trail legal to full-size (over 50") vehicles. I support the additions of 10152, 10149, and 2997B to the OHV system on the West side of the Island, and the construction of the new road prisms to link these routes.

7. I believe the Blacktail-Wild Bill Trail project has been the best full-size OHV opportunity in the state (and possibly the country!) in recent years, and the Skyliners, Big Sky 4-Wheelers, and M4x4A have really made the most of this opportunity and shown the FS that we are very responsible stewards of our public lands. If you're from outside the Flathead NF area, please do mention this--and maybe even send a copy of your comments to the Recreation Specialist at your local forest district.

Shawn

[offroadjosh]

Thats really cool! I would love to see the trail expanded. I haven't ran it yet but I am hoping to jan 30th

Josh

[JLToy]

Shawn I need to take letter writing lessons from you on this type of application. As it is I may plagerise or at least follow some of your points.

Joby

[MT4Runner]

Originally Posted by JLToy

Shawn I need to take letter writing lessons from you on this type of application. As it is I may plagerise or at least follow some of your points.

Joby

I'll write an even better letter--those are just the points I pulled out for a quickie response on the M4x4A.org email list. Writing this is totally worthwhile--I do comment on national issues, but this is in my backyard, and my girls' freedom to play however they choose is at stake!!

[MT4Runner]

comments-nothern-flathead-swan-lake@fs.fed.us

My comments as sent today:

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

Steve Brady, District Ranger
Swan Lake Ranger District
200 Ranger Station Road
Bigfork, MT 59911

Island Unit Trail System Additions Project


Dear Ranger Brady,

Thanks again for the opportunity to comment on the Island Unit Trails project. As an active member of the Big Sky 4-Wheelers club, a resident of the Flathead valley, and a father of two young children, I am grateful for your District’s willingness to work with all recreation organizations for current and future access to our Federal public lands. I am disheartened that many other Forests in Montana (and even other Districts in the Flathead NF) have all but closed communication with motorized recreationists, yet your District maintains open lines of communication for responsible access. Thank you!

Our club, the Skyliners 4x4 club in Polson, and a half-dozen other 4x4 clubs throughout Montana, as well as many individual 4x4 enthusiasts in the Flathead valley have been active stewards of the existing Blacktail-Wild Bill National Recreation Trail. I feel we have shown extremely active and aggressive hands-on sponsorship of this trail. Combined, we have contributed over 3,000 work hours toward brushing, sign installation and maintenance, obstacle and drainage construction and maintenance, and trash cleanup. We have obtained over $7,000 in private and government (non-Forest Service) grants, and approximately $25,000 in in-kind Equipment Rental and donation. We perform quarterly trash removal in some of the more abuse-prone, non-trail areas of the Island Unit. We have assisted with FS Law Enforcement in identifying trash dumpers and illegal fire starters.

With regard to the specifics of the scoping letter printed December 10, 2009:

I strongly recommend and support a Pro-Recreation Alternative, and urge you to consider this the Preferred Alternative. I support the trails noted in the Proposed Action, and humbly suggest a couple of revisions:

1. The 2960, 2823, and 2999 routes in the upper Patrick Creek area have some great vistas of Kalispell to the north, and the gravel pit and exposed rock outcroppings are ideal sustainable challenges for high clearance vehicles.

The close proximity to Kalispell has made this an attractive location for high-school drinking parties. Our club (and independent wheelers from Kalispell) have literally performed tons of trash cleanup in this specific area. If the area is not included in the Travel Plan, we won't be as excited about cleaning up an area that is closed to us—we would hope that our prior shows of goodwill and stewardship in this area would be a factor in considering it for inclusion in the Travel Plan.

While the Scoping Letter notes that these routes are not proposed for inclusion in this proposed action, we would argue that the elements that do not harmonize with local private residences (illegal keg parties and shooting) are not of a motorized trail recreation nature, and that the presence of motorized trail recreation would both discourage such improper uses, and also provide surveillance and cleanup resources.

2. I don't know much about the Lakeside non-motorized trail or its proponents, but feel that access of any kind to the community of Lakeside should be a benefit to both the community and the Forest.

3. The Foys to Blacktail Trail (north side of the Island Unit) is a great proposal for a single track non-motorized trail, but many of the proponents of this trail have historically taken a very anti-ATV/motorcycle stance, and have been ambivalent at best about 4x4 use. The existing Blacktail-Wild Bill National Recreation Trail predates their proposal, and we have tried to extend an olive branch to their group—even offering to help build their new trail segments—but haven't heard anything positive yet from their side.

We note that we support the non-motorized uses in this area (we fully support responsible uses of all kinds), but we want to see protection of legitimate, responsible motorized trail use.

4. ATV/Motorcycle users in the area are not organized, and some have cut "outlaw" trails in the area. The FS' inclusion of the under-50" trail Upper Stoner Creek loop on the east side of the Unit is a huge offer from the FS to this user group. We are committed to helping our ATV and motorcycle enthusiast friends to show the same sort of stewardship that the 4x4 community has with our Federal public land. We support the inclusion of trails 2957, 10298, and 2959 in this project.

5. I fully support the conversion of route 9662 to a Motorized Trail legal to full-size (over 50") vehicles. I support the additions of 10152, 10149, and 2997B to the OHV system on the West side of the Island, and the construction of the new road prisms to link these routes.

6. Past preliminary scoping documents had included some potential over 50” routes on the East side. Including the routes identified in my comment 5 above on the east side would make an enormous scenic loop driving opportunity of the entire Island Unit. We would appreciate a non-technical scenic driving opportunity here. Rather than driving the existing Blacktail-Wild Bill "inverted-T shaped" trail up and back, or back on a road, you could drive an entire day and never leave a trail, nor follow your own tracks out. This would also extend full-size OHV use above Lakeside, which would be an economic benefit to businesses in Lakeside (restaurants, gas stations).

7. The 10109 road prism ties back into the Blacktail-Wild Bill OHV trail southeast of Eagle Junction (at the switchbacks above Truman Saddle). I would like to see the continuation of this route added to the Travel Plan. It has a great scenic value for family trail riding, and would require only minor brushing at the sides of the route. This would be a sustainable route with good scenic value, but would be a lower priority than items listed above.

7. With regard to other social and economic uses of this land, we continue to support continued timber harvest in this area. Timber harvest is a well-established and sustainable use of this area, and suggest that trail projects not limit future Timber projects, and that Timber projects only have temporary affects on trail systems.

8. With regard to the Forest-Wide Context as noted in the Scoping Letter, there is a vast imbalance between non-motorized and motorized uses in the Flathead National Forest. The cumulative effect of the sweeping closures on the four other Flathead NF districts is that motorized recreation has been forced onto fewer and fewer trail miles every year. This causes over-crowding and significantly greater use of the open routes. Additional responsible riding/driving opportunities to again disperse users, or additional maintenance to the more frequently used routes are the solutions to over-crowding or over-use.

This Proposed Action is an excellent and positive step toward balancing uses and providing additional opportunities for involvement from private recreation interests.

It is with gratitude to the Swan Lake Ranger District and the individuals assigned to that District that I offer my comments and pledge my support to your projects. The Swan Lake Ranger District truly upholds the motto “The Land of Many Uses”.


Best regards,


Shawn W. Baker
Member
Big Sky 4-Wheelers

Please do keep me on your mailing list for this and other recreation projects on the Swan Lake RD

[MT-Toy]

Done. I got my info packet a month ago. Too bad about p-creek though.

[MT4Runner]

Patrick Creek isn't a done-deal. Rob St. Clair talked to Andrew in December, and he said they had do define a "moderate" scope, but that we should still add any suggested routes we want to see.

...I asked them in my comments to include Patrick Creek.


Once this thing is all official, you should be running, right?

[PyroZuki]

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

...I asked them in my comments to include Patrick Creek.

lET'S HOPE IT WORKS!!!

[MT-Toy]

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

Once this thing is all official, you should be running, right?

HEY,don't flip me shit, didn't it take you like 2 years to do a fullwidth swap???? Hmmmmm?
I'll never be going, doing this shit by myself bites.........hard!


Darken my door sometime fawker.

[MT4Runner]

Originally Posted by MT-Toy

HEY,don't flip me shit, didn't it take you like 2 years to do a fullwidth swap???? Hmmmmm?
I'll never be going, doing this shit by myself bites.........hard!

5 months for a SAS
13 months for rear fullwidth, W56/duals/gears/hydro assist.

[MT-Toy]

Sounds about right Shawn. In the 2 yrs I was involved with the club, we never went wheeling with you in the runner('cept the Crawl run). We went before you started all that work. IDC how long this build takes me, I'm doing anything and everything I can to make it better. Who wants to tear down every other month to upgrade? It'll do good!

[2manyprojects]

Originally Posted by MT-Toy

Sounds about right Shawn. In the 2 yrs I was involved with the club, we never went wheeling with you in the runner('cept the Crawl run). We went before you started all that work. IDC how long this build takes me, I'm doing anything and everything I can to make it better. Who wants to tear down every other month to upgrade? It'll do good!

Not that i have much room to talk, but half ass broke wheelins better than no wheelin. Projects are never finished, so make it mobile and get it! (says the guy with open diffs and stock birfs) .