The High Lakes is now closed from all and every direction

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Er, Hanson.

[jeepinnorcal]

Originally Posted by admode

Chad hansen is the nut job who sues everyone of our timber sales on the lassen, plumas and Tahoe (probably other forests too) if he has time for it. He has no background/understanding of forestry, wildlife biology, even simple science for that matter. He's just a lawyer trying to impress his wife and the earth island institute by suing the forest service every chance he gets. He stops progress. He causes catastrpohic wildfires like the chips and the angora. His philosophies are dangerous and destructive. You want a name to assign to your blame? It's chad Hansen.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jan/20/local/me-23885

Egh good to know... Let's hang his ass from the highest tree! Lol

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I would never claim that the forest service is perfect and couldn't do things better, but we do get a bad wrap because of lawsuits by people like this jack ass, and people don't realize that. Google his name and read some of the things he's done and written. He is rarely successful, except that he can tie up a salvage sale in court long enough that the wood remains unusable. He tied up one of our timber sales for enough years that we had to go remark and relay it out. It consists of 6 individual timber sales. Not a cheap task for tax payers.

[Pantheus]

From Tuesday late incoiweb:

Along the west flank of the fire, hotshot crews continue to slowly and methodically build fire line directly along the fire's edge, working from north to south towards the Chips Creek drainage. A Wildland Fire Module, which is a specialized crew of ten people trained to work self-sufficiently in the back country for extended periods, was inserted into the south-west area of the fire today. This crew will camp near Morris Lake, and seek opportunities to construct fire line into the Chips Creek drainage working from south to north. A second Wildland Fire Module is expected to arrive tomorrow, and will join the crew currently on-site. Also, infra-red mapping will be conducted tomorrow on this portion of the fire to pin-point hot spots for the crew to focus on extinguishing.

[jeepinnorcal]

Makes you wonder tho the containment hasn't been pushed out from the the 31st and here we are the 22nd 37% containment with increasing winds 13-24mph somethings gotta give here..well atleast there holding it down at Morris..there's really not much for it to burn straight up the rocks w very little brush should keep it from burning up the hill onto the main trail I hope..

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by jeepinnorcal

Makes you wonder tho the containment hasn't been pushed out from the the 31st and here we are the 22nd 37% containment with increasing winds 13-24mph somethings gotta give here..well atleast there holding it down at Morris..there's really not much for it to burn straight up the rocks w very little brush should keep it from burning up the hill onto the main trail I hope..

Just the best camping spot on the lake

[Cobra5.0Jeep]

Originally Posted by admode

I would never claim that the forest service is perfect and couldn't do things better, but we do get a bad wrap because of lawsuits by people like this jack ass, and people don't realize that. Google his name and read some of the things he's done and written. He is rarely successful, except that he can tie up a salvage sale in court long enough that the wood remains unusable. He tied up one of our timber sales for enough years that we had to go remark and relay it out. It consists of 6 individual timber sales. Not a cheap task for tax payers.

I wouldn't say we're perfect either but I have seen some horrible questionable decisions made by other agencies. We get a bad rap because everyone in our agency is afraid of media and getting infront of a camera and saying we The US Forest Service just saved your house, your property, your lives. We let other agencies take the credit by not speaking up so people think they did it. Whenever I tell someone I am a firefighter they always say " oh with calfire?" then when I saw no with the FS they say " I didn't know there was firefighters with the FS"

[Bebe]

Originally Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep

I wouldn't say we're perfect either but I have seen some horrible questionable decisions made by other agencies. We get a bad rap because everyone in our agency is afraid of media and getting infront of a camera and saying we The US Forest Service just saved your house, your property, your lives. We let other agencies take the credit by not speaking up so people think they did it. Whenever I tell someone I am a firefighter they always say " oh with calfire?" then when I saw no with the FS they say " I didn't know there was firefighters with the FS"

Don't worry about it - we know who you are and we appreciate you.

Thank you Dana

[Bebe]

Originally Posted by jeepinnorcal

Makes you wonder tho the containment hasn't been pushed out from the the 31st and here we are the 22nd 37% containment with increasing winds 13-24mph somethings gotta give here..well atleast there holding it down at Morris..there's really not much for it to burn straight up the rocks w very little brush should keep it from burning up the hill onto the main trail I hope..

Originally Posted by Wilson

Just the best camping spot on the lake

It will give us a reason to get out there and re-plant, clean up, and turn it back to what it was as soon as we can.

[b&l fab]

Has anyone heard when they plan on lifting the closure?

[Pantheus]

Originally Posted by b&l fab

Has anyone heard when they plan on lifting the closure?

The way it usually works is that :

1 ) They get containment ( fire is only burning on itself, no new fire growth)

2) They put out all of the burning within the containment... ( can be several weeks )

3) They rehab the area .... making dozer and excavator tracks go away, returning the area to as "normal, and SAFE " as they can

These processes can take a month or two, depending on the fire.. and the people-power to do it. In the Cub Complex fire in 2008 there were still some burning in certain areas while rehab was taking place... as a few of us got a permit to go check on rehab, and saw the process... place was running with ticket-writers, checking on no-"civilians" though.

Don't try to rush the process ... it will be costly.

[Pantheus]

No One is going to like the following information, posted in Sunday noonish inciweb:

Here is a brand new Forest Order, : starting August 21 and ending "when fire is fully suppressed" ( read that it's ending date is December 31, 2012 - but not now in the F.O. or inciweb)

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_...rdb5387389.pdf

A violation of these prohibitions is punishable by a fine of not more than $5,000 for an individual or $10,000 for an organization, or imprisonment for not more than six months, or both. 16 USC 551 and 18 USC 3559, 3571, and 3581

Here is a new map of the closed area that is in Lassen National Forest, and Plumas N.F. on the south and east. It includes everything from Highway 70 on the south and east, Everything from the north PAST Philbrook Lake ( which is NOT included in the closure ) is included in this Forest Order closure.

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_...rdb5387387.pdf

[Wilson]

Gee, seems a little excessive covering areas that are MILES fro
The fire area.

[ROCK HUGGER]

How does it affect private property access in the area?

[Pantheus]

Originally Posted by ROCK HUGGER

How does it affect private property access in the area?

Exempted are ( among a few other exclusions- all listed in the Forest Order link above )

3. Owners or lessees of private land in the Chips Fire Closure Area to the extent necessary to gain access to their land.

4. Persons who reside on private land

[Pantheus]

Originally Posted by Wilson

Gee, seems a little excessive covering areas that are MILES fro
The fire area.

The winds tonight are expected to reach or exceed 30 m.p.h. which can change everthing-fire-wise in a big hurry... and because this fire is twice the size of the two previous fires in the last twelve years... evey precaution must be utilized. Ground crews can't work over 20 m.p.h. winds, safely

Both of the other fires 2008 Cub Complex and 2000 Storrie fire were both at +/- 35,000 acres, this one already over 66,000 acres. and still only 61% contained....

Plus if they didn't close it at all ends, some try to sneak in, because they are not allowed ... then stupid enough to post his pictures on FaceBook.

Some can be educated, Stupid is forever

[jeepinnorcal]

The proposed dozer line on the map shows all the way behind snag lake around philbrook...,I seriously hope that doesn't come to pass..from what there saying it looks to be holding so that just looks like a contingency plan..still seeing it on the map is not comforting

[IronClad]

Originally Posted by Pantheus

Plus if they didn't close it at all ends, some try to sneak in, because they are not allowed ... then stupid enough to post his pictures on FaceBook.

Some can be educated, Stupid is forever

You sure do like to talk shit without saying names dontcha

[jeepinnorcal]

Originally Posted by Pantheus

The winds tonight are expected to reach or exceed 30 m.p.h. which can change everthing-fire-wise in a big hurry... and because this fire is twice the size of the two previous fires in the last twelve years... evey precaution must be utilized. Ground crews can't work over 20 m.p.h. winds, safely

Both of the other fires 2008 Cub Complex and 2000 Storrie fire were both at +/- 35,000 acres, this one already over 66,000 acres. and still only 61% contained....

Plus if they didn't close it at all ends, some try to sneak in, because they are not allowed ... then stupid enough to post his pictures on FaceBook.

Some can be educated, Stupid is forever

I think we all need to see said pics..now that you officially threw someone under the bus.. Don't get me wrong I agree no one should be in there but u just called dude out..or let me rephrase that u allegedly called someone out..without pics/proof its BS..and that tends to get flung all over here

[Cobra5.0Jeep]

Originally Posted by Wilson

Gee, seems a little excessive covering areas that are MILES fro
The fire area.

Its not excessive, I've seen fire move 30mph with wind in the trees. If your out wheelin on the road in an area that's threatened by fire and that fire blows up and moves 30mph straight towards you while you have to follow the road out, your not going to make it.
Firefighters always have an escape route and a safety zone that can handle double the flame lengths the fire is putting off relatively close to where they are working, sometimes its the burned area itself that is used but if your infront of the flame front you don't have one unless it was already scouted and would protect you from the predicted and current fire behavior.

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep

Its not excessive, I've seen fire move 30mph with wind in the trees. If your out wheelin on the road in an area that's threatened by fire and that fire blows up and moves 30mph straight towards you while you have to follow the road out, your not going to make it.
Firefighters always have an escape route and a safety zone that can handle double the flame lengths the fire is putting off relatively close to where they are working, sometimes its the burned area itself that is used but if your infront of the flame front you don't have one unless it was already scouted and would protect you from the predicted and current fire behavior.

My concern stems from the dec 31 close date if that fire and rehab effort are still active at that date; hell is freezing over.... Just sayin'

[Cobra5.0Jeep]

Originally Posted by Wilson

My concern stems from the dec 31 close date if that fire and rehab effort are still active at that date; hell is freezing over.... Just sayin'

Could be closed longer, there will be a lot of land slides in that area this winter, lots of trees coming down from being weakened from fire. It'll still be a hazardous area.

[THE HANS]

Originally Posted by IronClad

You sure do like to talk shit without saying names dontcha

no joke, some people have nothing better to do to ten sit on the Internet and blab there mouth. Our "public" lands won't ever be public again till "someone" finally kicks the bucket. No names needed

[THE HANS]

Who's to say that these pictures were not from a fire fighter or forest ranger? Who is to say that these pictures were taken before the closures? how come you can't seem to stay on subject without pointing fingers and making everyone else look bad? Since you selected yourself to be in charge of our public lands it has done nothing but go to waste. Maybe if people like you could keep to themselfs our public lands wouldn't always be under the knife. IF your so concerned for our land step out from behind your damn keyboard and do something, instead of sitting on the Internet pointing fingers at innocent people who have never done you wrong and you have never met..

[IronClad]

Originally Posted by THE HANS

Who's to say that these pictures were not from a fire fighter or forest ranger? Who is to say that these pictures were taken before the closures? how come you can't seem to stay on subject without pointing fingers and making everyone else look bad? Since you selected yourself to be in charge of our public lands it has done nothing but go to waste. Maybe if people like you could keep to themselfs our public lands wouldn't always be under the knife. IF your so concerned for our land step out from behind your damn keyboard and do something, instead of sitting on the Internet pointing fingers at innocent people who have never done you wrong and you have never met..

Now now that would be the logical thought process and we cant have that hans.. Its way better to just point fingers! Seems lately that someone just wants the highlakes to himself.