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Old 08-01-2011, 02:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Another illegal E. Carson River crossing - Barney Riley trail...

...this time rafters got video, posted it up on youtube and made the local news.

http://www.recordcourier.com/article...ntprofile=1049

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‪East Fork Carson River water crossing - Toyota - Failed rescue‬‏ - YouTube

This is just adding fuel to an existing fire. Hope this doesn't cause a closure.

edit....I didn't find another post about this via search. If there is let me know and i can delete this.
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Though most users agree that something needs to be done, exactly what is a point of contention. The Forest Service held a public meeting June 7 to gather suggestions and comments on their current plan. The difference of opinions on what should happen was clear between the mostly rafters and kayakers in attendance.

“For right now, until there is a better plan to control it, I think it would be better if camping was cut off,” said Pat Fried, who operates Great Basin Sports, a rafting company that has a permit to run commercial operations on the East Fork. Commercial operations cannot camp along the Carson River.

Richard Lawrence, a rafter from Coloma, Calif. has been camping at the hot springs since the early 1980s. He doesn't want to see overnight stays shut down, he said. Rather than close camping, the Forest Service should put in more toilets, he suggested at the meeting.

Victor Babbit, who owns Tahoe Flyfishing Outfitters, rafts the river when the flows are lower and the fishing is better. No single user group is to blame for the impact on the Carson, Babbit said.

“There's bad apples in every group,” he said.

It would help if users were encouraged to bring their own toilets and 4x4s stayed out of the river itself, he said. But all user groups should continue to have access, he added.

Will Anderson, a South Lake Tahoe rafter and kayaker, has been using the East Fork of the Carson River for five years. He'd like to see some kind of permit system or limit to the number of users allowed on the river at any given time.

“Impacts have to be managed,” he said. “There's a limit to the number of people who can fit in the hot springs.”

Other suggestions from boaters include signage with rules of use for the area and a designated river ranger. The rafters and kayakers at the meeting were quick to point out the regulations that govern most other rivers in the country.
I'm sure he won't be happy when I start advocating for bridges on his rivers

Idiots are idiots, we don't make the Banks open by appointment only because they can be robbed.

I don't think this will cause a closure - Trail riders in that area need to get involved to make sure it doesn't.
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Holy FAIL

‪East Fork Carson River water crossing - Toyota - Failed rescue‬‏ - YouTube


Uploaded by ConorBoyle01 on Jun 13, 2011

This Toyota successfully crossed the east fork of the Carson River (at the hot springs) when going down stream. When he tried to cross again and go slightly upstream he got picked up and turned on the passenger side by the current and floated down the river a couple hundred feet. the tow strap could only be attached to the roof since the car was 90% underwater. This rescue attempt failed when the roof ripped off and the trucked rolled downstream. Driver was fine. he was not in the truck. 6.12.11
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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try explaining that to the insurance company...
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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‪East Fork Carson River water crossing - Toyota - Failed rescue‬‏ - YouTube


Uploaded by ConorBoyle01 on Jun 13, 2011

This Toyota successfully crossed the east fork of the Carson River (at the hot springs) when going down stream. When he tried to cross again and go slightly upstream he got picked up and turned on the passenger side by the current and floated down the river a couple hundred feet. the tow strap could only be attached to the roof since the car was 90% underwater. This rescue attempt failed when the roof ripped off and the trucked rolled downstream. Driver was fine. he was not in the truck. 6.12.11
is that the video from the original poster? their link didn't work.
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No Dana, it's from the rafters who videoed the attempted recovery.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Anything we can do to get involved? Who to contact?
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Old 08-01-2011, 11:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If you go thru the other E Carson River Videos on You Tube - it looks like there may be a club out there....that's where I'd start...by contacting them. Maybe post up for some help in the Nevada section here?
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:38 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Anything we can do to get involved? Who to contact?
Good point. I wonder if the vehicles have been recovered. This would be a good reason to get out there again. Vehicle Recovery!
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Good point. I wonder if the vehicles have been recovered. This would be a good reason to get out there again. Vehicle Recovery!
‪East Fork Carson River failed water crossing - one week later‬‏ - YouTube

comments on this clip say it got recovered a couple days later.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I know the driver of the white LC that was attempting to pull him out. I can ask him about it tonight. He explained to me what happened a few weeks ago, but I can't recall the details. I don't think it was part of his group. I think he just happened along and tried to help.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
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so the driver was attempting to cross that river as a party of 1???
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so the driver was attempting to cross that river as a party of 1???
No there were several rigs crossing the river. Two rigs actually got stuck. The minitruck and a Ford. The ford was closer to the bank and easy to recover. The mini truck was not so easy. There were other rigs on both sides of the river.

They made the crossing earlier in the day. Obviously the water was to their backs. Why they tried to cross on their return going up stream is beyond me. Live and learn I guess...
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I know the driver of the white LC that was attempting to pull him out. I can ask him about it tonight. He explained to me what happened a few weeks ago, but I can't recall the details. I don't think it was part of his group. I think he just happened along and tried to help.

Pm me if you get any info. I'd like to find out if they belong to any clubs that we can coerce into becoming advocates for that trail.
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To the OP, what do you mean "illegal water crossing"? I have been on that trail (didnt cross the river) and it clearly looks legitimate to me.
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Couple facts,
The person was not alone.
The person recovered his vehicle.
wether or not his decision to cross worked out is obvious and the person is a responsible , experienced off road enthusiast.
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What would have been a better way to attempt that recovery?
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To the OP, what do you mean "illegal water crossing"? I have been on that trail (didnt cross the river) and it clearly looks legitimate to me.
Both crossings were closed during the last round of route designation.
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To the OP, what do you mean "illegal water crossing"? I have been on that trail (didnt cross the river) and it clearly looks legitimate to me.
According to the managing ranger station, crossing the river is illegal. It has been for several years. Every year I visit the trail, I always make a point to call the ranger station. Just in case something changed in regards to crossing. Each year has been the same.
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What would have been a better way to attempt that recovery?
By not doing it in the first place.

Illegal or not - crossing any river at 1000+ cfs is retarded.
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By not doing it in the first place.

Illegal or not - crossing any river at 1000+ cfs is retarded.
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She -

The first Map is the NEW Motor Vehicle Use Map from the Carson Ranger Distirct of the Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest, the second is the OLD no longer legal Map from californiajeeper.com:
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Agreed, but now in that situation or a similar one, what would be a better attempt? More lines from more angles for anchors? A pull to the rear, with the flow of water?

I'm looking past the specific event/location. It could happen in any well flowing crossing. What is a better way once in that situation? Or are there just too many variables?
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