Offroad Snow Tire?? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Mikeybuck · 09-03-2011, 10:01 PM

I'm building up a Toyota, sas, locked in the rear and open in the front (till I get money for arb) and geared to 5.29s.
I want a second set of tires to run in the deep WA snow, 35x12.50x15 or a 35x13.50...My question is, what tire? I always air down.
I've looked at Toyo MTs, MTRs, STTs, KM2, super swampers...

busyfixin · 09-03-2011, 10:52 PM

Super Swamper STS

RANGERROD · 09-04-2011, 06:57 PM

If your build a wheeler never going to drive it in the road I'd run an irok. If it touches pavement as well mtr or km2.

Nobody · 09-04-2011, 09:26 PM

You want a radial for the snow. I've been running 36x12.50R15 tsl radials for many many years. I sipe them heavily and they work great. Try to get the tallest radial you can afford. I'd like to step up to a little taller tire for the snow...maybe some day.

SAY789 · 09-05-2011, 01:47 PM

Bogger or implement seem to be the best ive seen run snow especially deep snow. But ice is a big factor for non siped tires. I certainly love my boggers in the snow

Mikeybuck · 09-05-2011, 02:02 PM

I run a set of 33x12.50 Goodyear Dura trac tires as my run around tire. Love the tire.
But as I said above, I want a second set of tires for just off roading in the snow. I have been leaning towards the Super Swamper IROKs.
Thanks for the reply, I'm still open to hear what others think.

owens73 · 09-09-2011, 10:20 PM

I run 37" Pitbull Rockers on my 85 Toyota and love them I would not recommend them if you are going to daily drive it but it doesn't sound like they will be your main road tire. I also am a big fan of Super Swampers and ran them before these. The sets were both Bias ply which I really like but I don't daily drive my rig. I don't know how much of a difference there is between Bias and Radial in the snow between. I do know both sets I have had have done great in the snow.

Nobody · 09-10-2011, 05:53 AM

Radials really do make a big difference. They do a much better job of distributing weight evenly on the contact patch, where bias tires tend to put more pressure on the sides of the contact patch. Most bias tires have a stiffer sidewall as well, which effectively raises your ground pressure. On many occassions we've had to literally pull the cores on the bias tired folks just so they can keep up. At zero psi, they have a hard time steering.

R.DesJardin · 09-10-2011, 07:28 AM

I run Bias, 36-13.50x15 IROKs on 8" rim, I run them with low single digit tire pressure, they work, steers fine. Rim width has a lot to do tire profile too, there is a whole argument for that one and it's been covered here several times.
Large irrregular blocks of tread with more gap that tread!
Second choice would be a Pitbull Rocker.

Mikeybuck · 09-10-2011, 04:00 PM

I was almost gonna get a set of pit bulls but then I just found a good set of used 36x12.50 Super Swampers radials on craigslist mounted on some nice wheels. Price was right and they should work fine.

Big87 · 09-10-2011, 07:21 PM

Irok is the best choice, they work VERY well in snow,mud, rock you name it! there

Outdoors · 09-11-2011, 09:05 AM

Irok radials, for an off road snow tire would be my choice as well.
They seem to keep moving quite well while keeping you on top of the snow.
Although, for a one tire does it all.. I run the MTR Kevlars, get them into single digits and I have seen these tires do better in the snow then any all around tires.. Like any tire if aired up too high, duratracs especially will pass you right bye..lol

BBCorvette18Punk · 09-11-2011, 10:56 AM

I love my Iroks in the snow. I wanted to run the Kevlars since i was DD'ing my runner but got a DD from DWT and ordered up the Iroks since the Kevlars weren't available. The iroks just flat out work

ZacSquatch · 09-11-2011, 02:47 PM

Super swamper Trxxs M/t's

2pwrlftrs4u · 09-12-2011, 07:37 AM

i ran Iroks in WA state while i was there and will go back to them in AK once my axles are done.

77chev · 09-12-2011, 09:07 AM

My Kevlars work awesome in the snow, unless you're on a slick sidehill. I notice that the rear doesn't seem to follow the front which makes for some interesting crabwalking. Out of 7 rigs, 2 of us had Kevlars and both did the same thing (Range Rover and a TJ).

Phantom 309 · 09-14-2011, 02:38 PM

Old style MTRs. Grooved Center lugs. No air.

Blue MT. SnowRunner · 09-21-2011, 07:30 AM

IROKS hands down. Over here in Walla snow is what we do. Its used to be the 38 gumbo but thats gone now. Ive got a set of 42s ill be running this year. My buddy has ran them on his buggy and they flat kicked ass. Radial or bias either way will work. I really havnt seen a difference in performance between the two. If you can go with 36 or 37s instead of 35s id recomend that. Throw em on a 10-12 wide rim with 1-5 psi and you will do just dandy. I know some brothers one who runs 39.5 IROKS and one that runs 39 pitbulls on bout identical toyotas. The IROKS did better than the pitbulls. I do however think if he took the time to grove the pitbulls they might pull ahead of the IROKS. Just my 2 cents.

Big Pun · 09-21-2011, 07:56 PM

old school mtr minus the air works every time for the snow up here in the rimrock / tampico area , the irocs would be my second choice for sure.

osmtdi2000 · 09-21-2011, 11:34 PM

I have a set of bias 42's and they kicks ass. IROKS are the best snow tire out there

Ben W · 09-22-2011, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom 309

Old style MTRs. Grooved Center lugs. No air.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Pun

old school mtr minus the air works every time for the snow up here in the rimrock / tampico area , the irocs would be my second choice for sure.

You guys are delusional. If you're going to go for purple unicorn tires that they don't make any more you may as well hunt down some 38.5 gumbo radials.

If you want tires that you can actually buy nowadays get some iroks and drive circles around the clowns clutching desperately to their old style mtrs.

Nobody · 09-22-2011, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben W

You guys are delusional. If you're going to go for purple unicorn tires that they don't make any more you may as well hunt down some 38.5 gumbo radials.

If you want tires that you can actually buy nowadays get some iroks and drive circles around the clowns clutching desperately to their old style mtrs.

That's what I was thinking

Of course I think the bias ply folks are delusional too.

2manyprojects · 09-22-2011, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nobody

Radials really do make a big difference. They do a much better job of distributing weight evenly on the contact patch, where bias tires tend to put more pressure on the sides of the contact patch. Most bias tires have a stiffer sidewall as well, which effectively raises your ground pressure. On many occassions we've had to literally pull the cores on the bias tired folks just so they can keep up. At zero psi, they have a hard time steering.

All I can say is bring it. Guarantee you'll be on a strap before my bias Iroks are.

. And your picture is pointless, our trails aren't flat paved highways here.

Add to that radials are heavy and have weak sidewalls.

Nobody · 09-22-2011, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2manyprojects

All I can say is bring it. Guarantee you'll be on a strap before my bias Iroks are.

. And your picture is pointless, our trails aren't flat paved highways here.

Add to that radials are heavy and have weak sidewalls.

Are you claiming a bias ply IROK will out perform an equal sized radial IROK?

2manyprojects · 09-22-2011, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nobody

Are you claiming a bias ply IROK will out perform an equal sized radial IROK?

Around here? Definitely. Already been proven, even swapped tires.

09-03-2011, 10:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mikeybuck Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Member # 193441 Location: Amboy WA Posts: 23	Offroad Snow Tire?? I'm building up a Toyota, sas, locked in the rear and open in the front (till I get money for arb) and geared to 5.29s. I want a second set of tires to run in the deep WA snow, 35x12.50x15 or a 35x13.50...My question is, what tire? I always air down. I've looked at Toyo MTs, MTRs, STTs, KM2, super swampers...

09-03-2011, 10:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
busyfixin Diesel Whore Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 95131 Location: williamsburg, MI, Barrow AK Posts: 956	Super Swamper STS __________________ when in doubt, throttle out!

09-04-2011, 09:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nobody Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Member # 848 Location: Stanwood, WA Posts: 2,677	You want a radial for the snow. I've been running 36x12.50R15 tsl radials for many many years. I sipe them heavily and they work great. Try to get the tallest radial you can afford. I'd like to step up to a little taller tire for the snow...maybe some day. __________________ SNOWTREK.org

09-09-2011, 10:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
owens73 Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Member # 191559 Location: Idaho Posts: 8	I run 37" Pitbull Rockers on my 85 Toyota and love them I would not recommend them if you are going to daily drive it but it doesn't sound like they will be your main road tire. I also am a big fan of Super Swampers and ran them before these. The sets were both Bias ply which I really like but I don't daily drive my rig. I don't know how much of a difference there is between Bias and Radial in the snow between. I do know both sets I have had have done great in the snow. Last edited by owens73; 09-09-2011 at 10:24 PM.

09-10-2011, 05:53 AM	#8 (permalink)
Nobody Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Member # 848 Location: Stanwood, WA Posts: 2,677	Radials really do make a big difference. They do a much better job of distributing weight evenly on the contact patch, where bias tires tend to put more pressure on the sides of the contact patch. Most bias tires have a stiffer sidewall as well, which effectively raises your ground pressure. On many occassions we've had to literally pull the cores on the bias tired folks just so they can keep up. At zero psi, they have a hard time steering. __________________ SNOWTREK.org

09-04-2011, 06:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
RANGERROD Ajs biggest fan!! Join Date: Oct 2010 Member # 172656 Location: st helens or Posts: 993	If your build a wheeler never going to drive it in the road I'd run an irok. If it touches pavement as well mtr or km2.

09-05-2011, 02:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mikeybuck Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Member # 193441 Location: Amboy WA Posts: 23	I run a set of 33x12.50 Goodyear Dura trac tires as my run around tire. Love the tire. But as I said above, I want a second set of tires for just off roading in the snow. I have been leaning towards the Super Swamper IROKs. Thanks for the reply, I'm still open to hear what others think.

09-10-2011, 07:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
R.DesJardin Shifting for all Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 68266 Location: Arlington, WI Posts: 1,203	IROKs I run Bias, 36-13.50x15 IROKs on 8" rim, I run them with low single digit tire pressure, they work, steers fine. Rim width has a lot to do tire profile too, there is a whole argument for that one and it's been covered here several times. Large irrregular blocks of tread with more gap that tread! Second choice would be a Pitbull Rocker. __________________ *RADesigns Products LLC - Shift to the Best* The 2nd Amendment is not to be screwed with, I am a card carrying member of the NRA. If this offends you please don't buy my products. http://radesignsproducts.com/Accessories.html Jeep, Toyota and Nissan automatics, Shift controllers and shifters, Toyota Triple Stick levers! My stuff: /forum/toyota-truck-4runner/996438-2rz-82-w-a340-duals-radesigns-way.html John 3:16- He is the answer.

09-10-2011, 04:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mikeybuck Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Member # 193441 Location: Amboy WA Posts: 23	I was almost gonna get a set of pit bulls but then I just found a good set of used 36x12.50 Super Swampers radials on craigslist mounted on some nice wheels. Price was right and they should work fine.

09-10-2011, 07:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
Big87 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Member # 134742 Location: Baker City, Or Posts: 229	Irok is the best choice, they work VERY well in snow,mud, rock you name it! there __________________ 71 Chevy C/10 stock 89 4runner

09-11-2011, 09:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
Outdoors Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Member # 99840 Location: The Gorge, Or Posts: 26	Irok.. Irok radials, for an off road snow tire would be my choice as well. They seem to keep moving quite well while keeping you on top of the snow. Although, for a one tire does it all.. I run the MTR Kevlars, get them into single digits and I have seen these tires do better in the snow then any all around tires.. Like any tire if aired up too high, duratracs especially will pass you right bye..lol

09-11-2011, 10:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
BBCorvette18Punk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Member # 143895 Location: Yacolt, Wa Posts: 9	I love my Iroks in the snow. I wanted to run the Kevlars since i was DD'ing my runner but got a DD from DWT and ordered up the Iroks since the Kevlars weren't available. The iroks just flat out work

09-11-2011, 02:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
ZacSquatch Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Member # 99115 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 152	Super swamper Trxxs M/t's __________________ 97 f-treefiddy 4 door/long bed. 79 bronco

09-12-2011, 07:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
2pwrlftrs4u Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Member # 35154 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 157	i ran Iroks in WA state while i was there and will go back to them in AK once my axles are done.

09-12-2011, 09:07 AM	#16 (permalink)
77chev Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Member # 30331 Location: Tigard, Or Posts: 532	My Kevlars work awesome in the snow, unless you're on a slick sidehill. I notice that the rear doesn't seem to follow the front which makes for some interesting crabwalking. Out of 7 rigs, 2 of us had Kevlars and both did the same thing (Range Rover and a TJ). __________________ 51 CJ3A future trail machine 88 Range Rover Truck Cab

09-14-2011, 02:38 PM	#17 (permalink)
Phantom 309 Wheeler Join Date: Feb 2009 Member # 128879 Location: Yakima Posts: 178	Old style MTRs. Grooved Center lugs. No air.

09-21-2011, 07:30 AM	#18 (permalink)
Blue MT. SnowRunner Granite Guru Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 37649 Location: Dayton, WA Posts: 901	IROKS hands down. Over here in Walla snow is what we do. Its used to be the 38 gumbo but thats gone now. Ive got a set of 42s ill be running this year. My buddy has ran them on his buggy and they flat kicked ass. Radial or bias either way will work. I really havnt seen a difference in performance between the two. If you can go with 36 or 37s instead of 35s id recomend that. Throw em on a 10-12 wide rim with 1-5 psi and you will do just dandy. I know some brothers one who runs 39.5 IROKS and one that runs 39 pitbulls on bout identical toyotas. The IROKS did better than the pitbulls. I do however think if he took the time to grove the pitbulls they might pull ahead of the IROKS. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Link to my 85 yota build: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ight=snowdemon

09-21-2011, 07:56 PM	#19 (permalink)
Big Pun Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Member # 176785 Posts: 5	old school mtr minus the air works every time for the snow up here in the rimrock / tampico area , the irocs would be my second choice for sure.

09-21-2011, 11:34 PM	#20 (permalink)
osmtdi2000 Wheeler Join Date: May 2007 Member # 90883 Posts: 128	Irok's I have a set of bias 42's and they kicks ass. IROKS are the best snow tire out there __________________ My other ride is your MOM

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