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66roadster · 01-22-2009, 08:09 PM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

A important event has occured, and the Chile Challenge committe has had to make an hard decision concerning spectators.

Unregistered vehicles, people, and spectators will NOT be allowed on the trails or in the canyons during the 2009 Chile Challenge. Only registered participants, their vehicles, and registered passengers will be allowed on the trails. In addition, the public will NOT have access to the (previously available) spectator areas.

Additional information will be forthcoming. See the Chile Challenge website, www.chilechallenge.org, for more info.

nckwnchstr · 01-22-2009, 11:31 PM

whered u get that info? all i could find off that website was this:

Quote:

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL DRIVERS AND PASSENGERS

All drivers and passengers must have a trail pass for the 2009 Chile Challenge.
All participants will be required to display their Trail Pass to access trails. Trail Passes
will be issued on registration day after vehicle inspection is complete and the "Hold Harmless"
form has been signed. Everyone in the vehicle must sign a Hold Harmless agreement.

We have been asked to clarify participants from spectators. All participants
will be required to display their participant identification to access trail runs

locoazul · 01-23-2009, 12:05 AM

The decision was just made tonight. The announcement will be posted on the site tomorrow.

nckwnchstr · 01-23-2009, 06:45 AM

damn ... that sucks, thought part of the fun was having the spectators there to cheer/laugh at you .... any idea why they changed this?

66roadster · 01-23-2009, 08:00 AM

It has to do with some requirements (financial and environmental) being imposed on the event.

ElLizard · 01-23-2009, 08:18 AM

Yeah I heard the good ol' BLM wants like an outragous amount for each spectator and then a big lump sum on top of that for damages done to the trails by spectators. I personally could give a rats ass if they let spectators in or not, it will be alot less trash to clean up, but this just shows how gov't run agencies are nothing more than the strong arm for the Socialist Liberal Eco-Nazis that want to protect us and them from everything . What's that guys name that comes to mind that always reintroduces some kind of wildlife BS every year...

Oh yeah... Sen. DumbDick Bingaman D-NM!

I think Sceep calls em C A V E people. (C itizens A gainst V irtually E verything) Dumbdick falls into that catogory.

sceep · 01-23-2009, 10:41 AM

so we continually fight for equall acess for everyone. then turn around and say that some people cant come.

we are turning into the enemy.

ElLizard · 01-23-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sceep

so we continually fight for equall acess for everyone. then turn around and say that some people cant come.

we are turning into the enemy.

The BLM is turning into the enemy here Nate, not us. BLM is the ones inforcing a spectator fee. The LCFWDC has to do what is in their best interest to have the event, get the permits and work with local enforcement and public. I don't see this as LCFWDCs fault, it soley rests on the heads of the BLM in Las Cruces.

sceep · 01-23-2009, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElLizard

The BLM is turning into the enemy here Nate, not us. BLM is the ones inforcing a spectator fee. The LCFWDC has to do what is in their best interest to have the event, get the permits and work with local enforcement and public. I don't see this as LCFWDCs fault, it soley rests on the heads of the BLM in Las Cruces.

and i dont think the BLM gives two shits.. its the last CC anyway.

randii · 01-23-2009, 12:18 PM

Spectators are expensive and complicated to insure around... I'd guess that it ain't that the BLM is specifically disallowing this, but rather, that the requirements they have put on it make it financially infeasible for Chili Challenge to allow spectators. Thus, it is the BLM's rules raising the cost, and the Chili Challenge committee's

Previous permits probably focused on 'Recreational Use Days' only for the participants.

Basically, events big enough to be on the BLM's radar have to support the full requirements of larger events, festivals, and races. If you're a smallish event, the insurance alone is nearly enough to kill the event... so many events try to stay 'below the radar' and under the size thresshold that triggers requirements for insurance, cost recovery, and staff.

It sucks.

Randii (who's permitted events in Moab with BLM)

p.s. Our federal agencies have been doing more 'cost recovery' for permits, and this may be another reason why it is too expensive to allow...

ElLizard · 01-23-2009, 01:34 PM

Committee's, insurance, cost recovery, permits, BLM and federal

agencies are what make things too expensive and complicated, Not the events or its organizers. For 15 years this has never been an issue and this year, the year some bullsh!t wildlife bill that will probably pass goes thru, it's an issue. Those are also all fine examples of whats wrong with our society in this country. Everybody has to have their hand in the fuckin cookie jar and be damned if uncle sam or some fuckin insurance company misses out on some money from spectators enjoying themselves! Every fuckin thing has to be allowed, permitted, insured and safe beyond safe. It's all very simple, there's too many fuckin people on this planet for us all to get along. There is too many ambulance chasing lawyers in our country and too many sue happy pussies in the world. So we all must adapt, change and evolve. Maybe the eco green-nazis should try it too. You don't hear of issues in Baja about insuring all the spectators lined up and down the race course. It's all mumbo jumbo big business legal jargin BULLSH!T! And we are all supposed to sit back and allow the guberment to tell us what we have rights to. Great society we live in!

Edit: I'm sure this is due to pressure from the local community as well. The Eco-Green Wildlife Nazis are going to the people of these communities like Las Cruces and getting the people on their side. We write letters to poloticians who are bought and paid for and their votes are traded like stock on a daily basis. Useless in my book. My Senator, Sylvestor Reyes does and votes for whatever the fuck he wants to, every letter written by OHV enthusiasts around here are basically told to eat shit! Unless the offroad community starts to line the poloticians pockets, donate to their campaign funds and give them equal or better than what these wildlife fucktards are contributing to them... we will soon start losing all land issue battles... thats how I see this fucked up world!

redtruggy · 01-23-2009, 04:51 PM

what he said ^^^^^ i dont think i could type fast enough to keep up with al of my thoughts

azhayseed · 01-26-2009, 09:53 PM

I for onehave cancelled my plans of attending this year and I know of others too! Too bad you guy's had to mess up all the fun!
I guess I'll just go over to the KOH instead!

river-rat · 01-27-2009, 04:06 AM

6 rigs from San Antonio Tx.

were still in, cant wait....

GenRight Off Road · 01-27-2009, 08:54 AM

We look forward to this event every year. We hope to see you all their as well.

sammeeks351 · 01-27-2009, 04:12 PM

well probly due to over crowding at the first obstacle on patz! stupid idiots knocking rocks down off cliff on the south side of the trail(ask me who they hit?). even saw a dumbass grab his kid and lifted him over a live winch line! yeah these were all spectators

ElLizard · 01-29-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azhayseed

I for onehave cancelled my plans of attending this year and I know of others too! Too bad you guy's had to mess up all the fun!
I guess I'll just go over to the KOH instead!

That's too bad! It'll still be fun! Who needs spectators anyway! Have fun at KOH!

Quote:

Originally Posted by river-rat

6 rigs from San Antonio Tx.

were still in, cant wait....

We'll see ya here with cold ones waiting!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenRight Off Road

We look forward to this event every year. We hope to see you all their as well.

Will you guys have a display booth this year?

glenn_7_1069 · 01-29-2009, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 66roadster

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

A important event has occured, and the Chile Challenge committe has had to make an hard decision concerning spectators.

Unregistered vehicles, people, and spectators will NOT be allowed on the trails or in the canyons during the 2009 Chile Challenge. Only registered participants, their vehicles, and registered passengers will be allowed on the trails. In addition, the public will NOT have access to the (previously available) spectator areas.

Additional information will be forthcoming. See the Chile Challenge website, www.chilechallenge.org, for more info.

thats bull,just to let you know,i have talked to BLM,only certain trails and areas will be closed to the public, if needing to know the trails that are closed to the public, contact "john" at BLM in las cruces,nm office. to those whome wish to still go offroading, most of the trails will be still open to the public.

ashmanjeepXJ · 01-29-2009, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glenn_7_1069

thats bull,just to let you know,i have talked to BLM,only certain trails and areas will be closed to the public, if needing to know the trails that are closed to the public, contact "john" at BLM in las cruces,nm office. to those whome wish to still go offroading, most of the trails will be still open to the public.

Is there any reason this information can not be posted publicly?

So far all of the WAZ group is out.

ElLizard · 01-29-2009, 08:45 PM

I'm pretty sure it's just the trails in the immediate area around airdown and the spectator spot above air down.

jasongjco1 · 01-30-2009, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElLizard

Committee's, insurance, cost recovery, permits, BLM and federal

agencies are what make things too expensive and complicated, Not the events or its organizers. For 15 years this has never been an issue and this year, the year some bullsh!t wildlife bill that will probably pass goes thru, it's an issue. Those are also all fine examples of whats wrong with our society in this country. Everybody has to have their hand in the fuckin cookie jar and be damned if uncle sam or some fuckin insurance company misses out on some money from spectators enjoying themselves! Every fuckin thing has to be allowed, permitted, insured and safe beyond safe. It's all very simple, there's too many fuckin people on this planet for us all to get along. There is too many ambulance chasing lawyers in our country and too many sue happy pussies in the world. So we all must adapt, change and evolve. Maybe the eco green-nazis should try it too. You don't hear of issues in Baja about insuring all the spectators lined up and down the race course. It's all mumbo jumbo big business legal jargin BULLSH!T! And we are all supposed to sit back and allow the guberment to tell us what we have rights to. Great society we live in!

Edit: I'm sure this is due to pressure from the local community as well. The Eco-Green Wildlife Nazis are going to the people of these communities like Las Cruces and getting the people on their side. We write letters to poloticians who are bought and paid for and their votes are traded like stock on a daily basis. Useless in my book. My Senator, Sylvestor Reyes does and votes for whatever the fuck he wants to, every letter written by OHV enthusiasts around here are basically told to eat shit! Unless the offroad community starts to line the poloticians pockets, donate to their campaign funds and give them equal or better than what these wildlife fucktards are contributing to them... we will soon start losing all land issue battles... thats how I see this fucked up world!

Welcome to the future of the end of this and many other sports that use public lands in a way that the powerful minority deems inapropriate. Dark times ahead for outdoor recreation involving engines.

BB1 · 01-30-2009, 07:37 PM

So who is going to enforce these rules? Sounds like a big nightmare to me. Good luck.

locoazul · 01-30-2009, 07:48 PM

Stay tuned sports fans. Big news coming very soon. Good news!!

glenn_7_1069 · 01-30-2009, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locoazul

Stay tuned sports fans. Big news coming very soon. Good news!!

and whats that going to mean? "big news soon",lol,lol, they are going to let the spectators/the public in?,lol,lol,lol....

66roadster · 01-31-2009, 09:53 AM

We can't say anything official yet because negotiations are still underway. We should know something next week.

01-22-2009, 08:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
66roadster Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 63525 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 83	ATTN: 09 Chile Challenge Spectators FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: A important event has occured, and the Chile Challenge committe has had to make an hard decision concerning spectators. Unregistered vehicles, people, and spectators will NOT be allowed on the trails or in the canyons during the 2009 Chile Challenge. Only registered participants, their vehicles, and registered passengers will be allowed on the trails. In addition, the public will NOT have access to the (previously available) spectator areas. Additional information will be forthcoming. See the Chile Challenge website, www.chilechallenge.org, for more info. __________________ 1966 Bronco, 250 I6 EFI, 4R70W, 35" BFG, 4.88's, ARB's, etc, etc. My '66 has two computers, HA!

01-23-2009, 08:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
66roadster Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 63525 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 83	It has to do with some requirements (financial and environmental) being imposed on the event. __________________ 1966 Bronco, 250 I6 EFI, 4R70W, 35" BFG, 4.88's, ARB's, etc, etc. My '66 has two computers, HA!

01-23-2009, 08:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
ElLizard Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 93719 Location: Southern New Mexico Posts: 398	Yeah I heard the good ol' BLM wants like an outragous amount for each spectator and then a big lump sum on top of that for damages done to the trails by spectators. I personally could give a rats ass if they let spectators in or not, it will be alot less trash to clean up, but this just shows how gov't run agencies are nothing more than the strong arm for the Socialist Liberal Eco-Nazis that want to protect us and them from everything . What's that guys name that comes to mind that always reintroduces some kind of wildlife BS every year... Oh yeah... Sen. DumbDick Bingaman D-NM! I think Sceep calls em C A V E people. (C itizens A gainst V irtually E verything) Dumbdick falls into that catogory. Last edited by ElLizard; 01-23-2009 at 09:04 AM.

01-23-2009, 12:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
randii Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 347 Location: Fair Oaks, CA Posts: 10,082	Spectators are expensive and complicated to insure around... I'd guess that it ain't that the BLM is specifically disallowing this, but rather, that the requirements they have put on it make it financially infeasible for Chili Challenge to allow spectators. Thus, it is the BLM's rules raising the cost, and the Chili Challenge committee's Previous permits probably focused on 'Recreational Use Days' only for the participants. Basically, events big enough to be on the BLM's radar have to support the full requirements of larger events, festivals, and races. If you're a smallish event, the insurance alone is nearly enough to kill the event... so many events try to stay 'below the radar' and under the size thresshold that triggers requirements for insurance, cost recovery, and staff. It sucks. Randii (who's permitted events in Moab with BLM) p.s. Our federal agencies have been doing more 'cost recovery' for permits, and this may be another reason why it is too expensive to allow... __________________ *Pack it ALL* out... you pick up after your dog, so clean up after YOU, too. - VIRTUAL RALLY for the HAMMER TRAILS in JOHNSON VALLEY Post 1349 - VIRTUAL RALLY for TELLICO Post 716 and Post 924 - KOH Pledge Drive:** for 4405 KOH Pledge #4

01-23-2009, 01:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
ElLizard Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 93719 Location: Southern New Mexico Posts: 398	Committee's, insurance, cost recovery, permits, BLM and federal agencies are what make things too expensive and complicated, Not the events or its organizers. For 15 years this has never been an issue and this year, the year some bullsh!t wildlife bill that will probably pass goes thru, it's an issue. Those are also all fine examples of whats wrong with our society in this country. Everybody has to have their hand in the fuckin cookie jar and be damned if uncle sam or some fuckin insurance company misses out on some money from spectators enjoying themselves! Every fuckin thing has to be allowed, permitted, insured and safe beyond safe. It's all very simple, there's too many fuckin people on this planet for us all to get along. There is too many ambulance chasing lawyers in our country and too many sue happy pussies in the world. So we all must adapt, change and evolve. Maybe the eco green-nazis should try it too. You don't hear of issues in Baja about insuring all the spectators lined up and down the race course. It's all mumbo jumbo big business legal jargin BULLSH!T! And we are all supposed to sit back and allow the guberment to tell us what we have rights to. Great society we live in! Edit: I'm sure this is due to pressure from the local community as well. The Eco-Green Wildlife Nazis are going to the people of these communities like Las Cruces and getting the people on their side. We write letters to poloticians who are bought and paid for and their votes are traded like stock on a daily basis. Useless in my book. My Senator, Sylvestor Reyes does and votes for whatever the fuck he wants to, every letter written by OHV enthusiasts around here are basically told to eat shit! Unless the offroad community starts to line the poloticians pockets, donate to their campaign funds and give them equal or better than what these wildlife fucktards are contributing to them... we will soon start losing all land issue battles... thats how I see this fucked up world! Last edited by ElLizard; 01-23-2009 at 06:06 PM. Reason: Thoughts just keep rolling!

01-23-2009, 12:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
locoazul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 127952 Posts: 30	The decision was just made tonight. The announcement will be posted on the site tomorrow.

01-23-2009, 06:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
nckwnchstr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Member # 108439 Location: North West Montana and West Texas Posts: 504	damn ... that sucks, thought part of the fun was having the spectators there to cheer/laugh at you .... any idea why they changed this?

01-23-2009, 04:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
redtruggy Wheeler Join Date: Feb 2008 Member # 107862 Location: farmington nm Posts: 362	what he said ^^^^^ i dont think i could type fast enough to keep up with al of my thoughts __________________ im the reason for spellcheck if you dont like my crap build your own!

01-26-2009, 09:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
azhayseed AZUndertaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Member # 89449 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 745	I for onehave cancelled my plans of attending this year and I know of others too! Too bad you guy's had to mess up all the fun! I guess I'll just go over to the KOH instead! __________________ John Brock Rocking J Offroad Race Team/ Team Crossedup #4431 Thanks to our sponsors: Rocking J Offroad, LLC. Crossedup Customs ADS Racing Shocks Ruffstuff Specialties Applied Hydrographics Howe Preformance Steering JRat offroad/ Sixty9 Axle Reid Racing Letzroll Off Road Race Team Give these business your support so they can support us!

01-27-2009, 04:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
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01-27-2009, 08:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
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01-27-2009, 04:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
sammeeks351 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3845 Location: carlsbad,nm Posts: 275	well probly due to over crowding at the first obstacle on patz! stupid idiots knocking rocks down off cliff on the south side of the trail(ask me who they hit?). even saw a dumbass grab his kid and lifted him over a live winch line! yeah these were all spectators __________________ 77 cherokee,360/t400/d300,d60/14 bolt disc's,5.13's,42" \../. rockers .\../ #326..79 jtruck Last edited by sammeeks351; 01-27-2009 at 04:15 PM.

01-29-2009, 08:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
ElLizard Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 93719 Location: Southern New Mexico Posts: 398	I'm pretty sure it's just the trails in the immediate area around airdown and the spectator spot above air down.

01-30-2009, 07:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
BB1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85234 Location: ARIZONA Posts: 328	So who is going to enforce these rules? Sounds like a big nightmare to me. Good luck. __________________ I don't give a shit!

01-30-2009, 07:48 PM	#23 (permalink)
locoazul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 127952 Posts: 30	Stay tuned sports fans. Big news coming very soon. Good news!!

01-31-2009, 09:53 AM	#25 (permalink)
66roadster Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 63525 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 83	We can't say anything official yet because negotiations are still underway. We should know something next week. __________________ 1966 Bronco, 250 I6 EFI, 4R70W, 35" BFG, 4.88's, ARB's, etc, etc. My '66 has two computers, HA!

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