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dwagman · 03-19-2009, 06:44 PM

Hello all,

I’m posting because I need your help regarding three illegal road closures in the Pike National Forest in Colorado (just outside of Colorado Springs).

If accessing the roads in our National Forests is important to you, and you absolutely hate it when the Forest Service closes them, especially illegally, AND you want your Congressman to finally jump into action over this, then please come to the meeting scheduled with Congressman Lamborn on April 13, 2009 at 9am. It will only take about 30 minutes of your time but will go a very, very long way in showing the Congressman that we, the people, won’t stand for Forest Service illegal road closures.

The location of the meeting is 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd. Suite 110, in Colorado Springs.

In brief, the Forest Service has illegally closed three roads in the Pike National Forest to the public. They have been nonresponsive in correcting these “mistakes.” Two stories appeared in the local newspaper about this and have not compelled the Forest Service to correct their actions. Several meetings with Congressman Lamborn and letters from him to the Forest Service have also failed to yield any results. A request by the Congressman for a hearing on this matter by the Committee on Natural Resources also yielded nothing. We need the Congressman to step up and it is time for us, the people, to step up as well and show the Congressman that these roads need to be reopened and can only be closed by following the processes outlined in NEPA.

Please access a brief summary regarding each road here: http://www.bodyintellect.com/forest_service/summary.doc

The details in communication and pictures for the roads in question can be reviewed in the folders from this link: http://www.bodyintellect.com/forest_service

And if you’re interested in seeing how resistant the Congressman has been in scheduling a meeting with his constituents, click here: http://www.bodyintellect.com/forest_...09_meeting.doc

If you have any questions, let’s discuss them here, on this Forum.

Also, several of us will be wheeling up the Eagle Rock trail after the meeting. So if you can take a whole day off, instead of just 30 minutes for the meeting, it would be great for you to join us.

Thank you for attending to this and I most sincerely hope a large number of you will attend this important meeting.

Dan

Shadow man · 03-19-2009, 08:00 PM

Good luck and I hope it goes very very well.

I for one know what we are against. I'll try to spread the word around, but that date is a bad date for a lot of us wheelers as we'll be out of town... That is the Monday after EJS weekend.

ItsaCJ6 · 03-19-2009, 08:09 PM

I do not want to rain on your parade. BUT the FS is and has been closing roads for the last 10 years. Typically the way it is legally done. is they submit the roster of lists to to congress (inside a large bill) that lists all the roads to be closed. Once congress approves these closers (bill passes) the roads are either removed from inventory or they are ripped and have the culverts pulled and then they are removed from inventory....(the neat part)

Officially a road that has been removed from inventory does not exist....This allows the FS to add the are that is now not a roaded area AKA roadless area to a growing inventory of roadless areas. (the good part) Roadless areas of 5000 acres or great adjacent to a wilderness area can be managed as if it were wilderness... (the best part) Road less areas adjacent to wilderness areas have 99 percent chances of become wilderness area....................... This is nothing new to the NW...

I'm too far and too little tole to go or I would.. where can letters be sent.

dwagman · 03-20-2009, 07:47 AM

Darn, I totally forgot about that. But if you want to support the cause, you could review the info on the links and post your comments right here. I'd print them out and take them to the Congressman.

Sure appreciate your help,

Dan

dwagman · 03-20-2009, 07:49 AM

Marc, I hear ya. All we're looking for is to have the FS follow the law. We don't think that's asking too much.

Probably the best thing to do would be to review the links and post your comments right here. Then I'll print them out and take them to the meeting.

Thanks for your support!

Dan

dwagman · 04-11-2009, 07:56 PM

Please recall that the meeting date has changed to Friday, 4/17 at 4pm, 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd. Suite 110, Colorado Springs, CO 80920
Phone: (719) 520-0055

I would appreciate any help from you guys in letting the rest know of the date change.

THANKS!

Also, after the meeting, dinner at Jack Quinns downtown, on Tejon street, just north of Colorado Ave.

03-19-2009, 06:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
dwagman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Member # 132095 Posts: 52	Illegal Road Closures: Colorado Hello all, I’m posting because I need your help regarding three illegal road closures in the Pike National Forest in Colorado (just outside of Colorado Springs). If accessing the roads in our National Forests is important to you, and you absolutely hate it when the Forest Service closes them, especially illegally, AND you want your Congressman to finally jump into action over this, then please come to the meeting scheduled with Congressman Lamborn on April 13, 2009 at 9am. It will only take about 30 minutes of your time but will go a very, very long way in showing the Congressman that we, the people, won’t stand for Forest Service illegal road closures. The location of the meeting is 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd. Suite 110, in Colorado Springs. In brief, the Forest Service has illegally closed three roads in the Pike National Forest to the public. They have been nonresponsive in correcting these “mistakes.” Two stories appeared in the local newspaper about this and have not compelled the Forest Service to correct their actions. Several meetings with Congressman Lamborn and letters from him to the Forest Service have also failed to yield any results. A request by the Congressman for a hearing on this matter by the Committee on Natural Resources also yielded nothing. We need the Congressman to step up and it is time for us, the people, to step up as well and show the Congressman that these roads need to be reopened and can only be closed by following the processes outlined in NEPA. Please access a brief summary regarding each road here: http://www.bodyintellect.com/forest_service/summary.doc The details in communication and pictures for the roads in question can be reviewed in the folders from this link: http://www.bodyintellect.com/forest_service And if you’re interested in seeing how resistant the Congressman has been in scheduling a meeting with his constituents, click here: http://www.bodyintellect.com/forest_...09_meeting.doc If you have any questions, let’s discuss them here, on this Forum. Also, several of us will be wheeling up the Eagle Rock trail after the meeting. So if you can take a whole day off, instead of just 30 minutes for the meeting, it would be great for you to join us. Thank you for attending to this and I most sincerely hope a large number of you will attend this important meeting. Dan

03-19-2009, 08:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Shadow man Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 1956 Location: SD Posts: 1,667	Good luck and I hope it goes very very well. I for one know what we are against. I'll try to spread the word around, but that date is a bad date for a lot of us wheelers as we'll be out of town... That is the Monday after EJS weekend. __________________ Obama: "I am constrained, by a system that our founders put in place." Last edited by Shadow man; 03-19-2009 at 08:01 PM.

03-19-2009, 08:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
ItsaCJ6 Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6340 Location: Telluride CO, within site of of Black Bear Pass Posts: 3,929 Blog Entries: 10	I do not want to rain on your parade. BUT the FS is and has been closing roads for the last 10 years. Typically the way it is legally done. is they submit the roster of lists to to congress (inside a large bill) that lists all the roads to be closed. Once congress approves these closers (bill passes) the roads are either removed from inventory or they are ripped and have the culverts pulled and then they are removed from inventory....(the neat part) Officially a road that has been removed from inventory does not exist....This allows the FS to add the are that is now not a roaded area AKA roadless area to a growing inventory of roadless areas. (the good part) Roadless areas of 5000 acres or great adjacent to a wilderness area can be managed as if it were wilderness... (the best part) Road less areas adjacent to wilderness areas have 99 percent chances of become wilderness area....................... This is nothing new to the NW... I'm too far and too little tole to go or I would.. where can letters be sent. __________________ Marc In what appears to have been an understatement, the plant operator described the situation at the Number 4 reactor as "not so good." Super conversion calculator website Love and kisses, Zaphod.. Last edited by ItsaCJ6; 03-19-2009 at 08:10 PM.

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03-20-2009, 07:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
dwagman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Member # 132095 Posts: 52	Darn, I totally forgot about that. But if you want to support the cause, you could review the info on the links and post your comments right here. I'd print them out and take them to the Congressman. Sure appreciate your help, Dan

03-20-2009, 07:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
dwagman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Member # 132095 Posts: 52	Marc, I hear ya. All we're looking for is to have the FS follow the law. We don't think that's asking too much. Probably the best thing to do would be to review the links and post your comments right here. Then I'll print them out and take them to the meeting. Thanks for your support! Dan

04-11-2009, 07:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
dwagman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Member # 132095 Posts: 52	Please recall that the meeting date has changed to Friday, 4/17 at 4pm, 1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd. Suite 110, Colorado Springs, CO 80920 Phone: (719) 520-0055 I would appreciate any help from you guys in letting the rest know of the date change. THANKS! Also, after the meeting, dinner at Jack Quinns downtown, on Tejon street, just north of Colorado Ave.