Did Table Mesa really close? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

2003_ram · 04-15-2009, 10:20 PM

I heard that Table Mesa closed..... either I talked to a dope head, or its closed. Is this true? And if so, why the hell did it close?

howyadoin · 04-16-2009, 02:14 PM

Dope head.

aftershokk86 · 04-16-2009, 03:40 PM

the main entraance on the left side was grated and new gas lines put in...maybe thats what they saw

trails are still accessible

IROK Cherokee · 04-16-2009, 09:08 PM

Mike (howyadoin) had way too much fun with Chads mom one night so they had to close it down for disinfection purposes....

lancetkenyon · 04-17-2009, 09:45 AM

Certain trails are on the chopping block. Hope we can win this fight, as 3 of them are great trails.

RubiconJeepGuy · 04-17-2009, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IROK Cherokee

Mike (howyadoin) had way too much fun with Chads mom one night so they had to close it down for disinfection purposes....

....he was on fi-ya

....oh, no wait......

2003_ram · 04-17-2009, 10:05 PM

Okay, freakin dop had I talked too.

Gotta get up there sometime, thanks for the replies.

howyadoin · 04-19-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IROK Cherokee

Mike (howyadoin) had way too much fun with Chads mom one night so they had to close it down for disinfection purposes....

Fawkin' HazMat!

Propane · 04-19-2009, 09:56 PM

The rumor I heard is that it is closed on high air pollutant days for dust control. I was told the cops were turning away rig after rig one day

projekt_sil80 · 04-21-2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Propane

The rumor I heard is that it is closed on high air pollutant days for dust control. I was told the cops were turning away rig after rig one day

The turning away of people I believe was for when they were doing the construction. The workers there didnt like the fact that people were target shooting near them so thats why they had it closed for a little bit.

Gen. Nonsense · 04-30-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by projekt_sil80

The turning away of people I believe was for when they were doing the construction. The workers there didnt like the fact that people were target shooting near them so thats why they had it closed for a little bit.

Thats State Trust land. NOBODY is supposed to be target shooting out there!

lancetkenyon · 05-04-2009, 07:56 AM

Not all of it is STL, there is BLM and private property too. But I agree, no one should be shooting there. Ben Avery Shooting Facility is about 10 miles CLOSER to town. You just can't dump your shit there, like the jackasses do at TM.

peccary · 05-04-2009, 11:39 AM

I have not seen much about the BLM plan for TM on any forums. Check out the BLM link

http://www.tablemesarecarea.com/

Looks like a lot of things are on the hit list in the near futyre

ashmanjeepXJ · 05-04-2009, 01:15 PM

http://www.tablemesarecarea.com/Clos...%20Summary.pdf

I summarized the trail names and reason for closure of each.
This SUCKS.

Project Manager: Tom Bickauskas 623-695-2013 thomas_bickauskas@blm.gov

12F=Section of Middle Terminator
Route crosses private property (not approved for access)
In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat)
In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails)
In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management)
In a Riparian corridor (closure would allow for improvement of condition)

273=Armageddon
In Desert Wash (closure could improve desert wash habitat)
In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat)
In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails)
In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management)
In a Riparian corridor SPRING (closure would allow for improvement of condition)

306=Collateral damage
Route crosses private property (not approved for access)
Route goes through or is proximate to a cultual site (within 1/4 mile)
In Desert Wash (closure could improve desert wash habitat)
In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails)
In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management)
In a Riparian corridor ACCESS ROUTE (closure would allow for improvement of condition)
Leads to/Ends at a Riparian Corridor

307=Twisted
Route crosses private property (not approved for access)
Route goes through or is proximate to a cultual site (within 1/4 mile)
In Desert Wash (closure could improve desert wash habitat)
In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat)
In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails)
In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management)
In a Riparian corridor ACCESS ROUTE (closure would allow for improvement of condition)
Leads to/Ends at a Riparian Corridor

309=Middle Terminator
Route crosses private property (not approved for access)
In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat)
In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails)
In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management)
In a Riparian corridor (closure would allow for improvement of condition)

310=Judgement Day
Route crosses private property (not approved for access)
In Desert Wash (closure could improve desert wash habitat)
In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat)
In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails)
In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management)
Leads to/Ends at a Riparian Corridor
In or Proximate to Wilderness Characteristics Area (closure would benefit maintaining this area)

peccary · 05-04-2009, 04:10 PM

The map that is published is very hard to read and I believe that the trail closure list is even greater than what they admit to.

IROK Cherokee · 05-06-2009, 07:50 PM

More are on the way fellas. They have the universal anti fun off road code book and they're using it step by step.
Hey BLM

2003_ram · 05-11-2009, 09:29 AM

All our offroad areas are closed, looks like its back to pulling off the road and wheeling wherever whatever you can find.

Luv2Crawl · 01-20-2010, 04:02 PM

Any new news on the TM area. I like to crawl in this area and I like to ride in the dunes in Cali. Everywhere I go, they want to shut the land down. What the hell!

dumass · 01-22-2010, 05:00 PM

Are you registered to vote and you bother to do so? They'll gladly mail you a ballot wherever you are.....free.

Maybe we need to get serious?

Or we can continue to do the same things and expect a different outcome.

Let's organize a cleanup or help them inventory the trails ......again.

newmexicocrawler · 01-22-2010, 07:30 PM

I went to AZ for a wheeling trip for the week between Christmas and New Years, i spent Sat. thru Wed. in FJ and till Sun. in TM.
Both were AWSOME the best trails i have wheeled outside of Moab and Farmington. Fj being better than TM, but TM looked REALLY REALLY BAD!!!!! I mean BAAAAD!!!!
It's not the wheelers it's the shooters, WOW that place is the worst place for trash I have ever seen! I can not beileve the county has not shut that place down. There is several things that can be done about this but none are being done. One thing is for sure SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!!!!Heath.

AZ-Ted · 05-19-2010, 03:22 PM

The area of Table Mesa near the Agua Fria River is private and has recently been fenced off. So, there is no access to the "beach" near the river. But, you can still legally (easement) cross the river to get to the trails on the other side.

Picture of Table Mesa at Agua Fria River is from April 2010:

EDIT: Re-sized the picture.

blazerv10 · 05-19-2010, 04:09 PM

holy giant pictures batman.

atonofun · 05-20-2010, 06:45 AM

The last clean up was May 8th. BLM supplied a 40 yard dumpster. About 60 people showed up to help, the dumpster was full in 4 hours. Arizona virtual jeep club posted it on another local site alloffroadaz.com. Thats where i heard about it. Some trails are still opened. We just have to keep working at this to so we have SOME place to wheel.

AZ-Ted · 05-20-2010, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atonofun

The last clean up was May 8th. BLM supplied a 40 yard dumpster. About 60 people showed up to help, the dumpster was full in 4 hours. Arizona virtual jeep club posted it on another local site alloffroadaz.com. Thats where i heard about it. Some trails are still opened. We just have to keep working at this to so we have SOME place to wheel.

I agree. I was at that cleanup, and we did well. Unfortunately, there is still so much trash out there. With more volunteers, we could have doubled or even tripled the amount of trash that we picked up.

aftershokk86 · 05-21-2010, 11:06 PM

And PLEASE do not be one of the guys going on the private property at night, ripping up, running over Roberts fence to drive up and down the river or access ds, cd and other trails from the river bottom. its disrespectful and just going to get our trails shut down faster he does technically own the lower half of the trails, even if you run them from the top down.

It always has been private property, noone gave a fuck about the old town though and now someone bought it and knows what Gilette was and intends to develop the land

04-15-2009, 10:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
2003_ram Rock God Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 127313 Location: AZ Posts: 1,255	Did Table Mesa really close? I heard that Table Mesa closed..... either I talked to a dope head, or its closed. Is this true? And if so, why the hell did it close? __________________ Nobama, I don't mind working for my money, you shouldn't either. Willys Build http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824952 “If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?” - John Wooden RIP "Let every man have a pistol, instead of one man have a tank."

04-16-2009, 02:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
howyadoin Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Dec 2006 Member # 84132 Location: Arizona-It's a dry heat! Posts: 4,212	Dope head. __________________ www.jaggedx.com www.crdesigns.com AEI Motorsports www.campbellent.com www.geiserbros.com

04-16-2009, 03:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
aftershokk86 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Member # 98845 Location: phoenix, az Posts: 741	the main entraance on the left side was grated and new gas lines put in...maybe thats what they saw trails are still accessible __________________ [COLOR="Blue"] . __________________________________________ \|\|[FONT="Impact"][SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]PHX AZ[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]____\|\|________________\|\|___TOYOTA__\|\| \|\|__________\|\|________________\|\|____________\|\|[/COLOR]

04-16-2009, 09:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
IROK Cherokee Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 77718 Location: Preskitt Posts: 1,097	Mike (howyadoin) had way too much fun with Chads mom one night so they had to close it down for disinfection purposes.... __________________ '89 B2 with slight modifications [QUOTE=AZFord4x4;8084876] I really shouldn't download so much porn while I'm trying to ban people.[/QUOTE]

04-17-2009, 09:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
lancetkenyon Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 102531 Location: AZ Posts: 196	Certain trails are on the chopping block. Hope we can win this fight, as 3 of them are great trails. __________________ Remember, I am the Instigator, NOT the leader! Yellow POS-AZ Undertakers

04-17-2009, 10:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
2003_ram Rock God Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 127313 Location: AZ Posts: 1,255	Okay, freakin dop had I talked too. Gotta get up there sometime, thanks for the replies. __________________ Nobama, I don't mind working for my money, you shouldn't either. Willys Build http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824952 “If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?” - John Wooden RIP "Let every man have a pistol, instead of one man have a tank."

04-19-2009, 09:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Propane Rock God Join Date: May 2004 Member # 30839 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 2,120	The rumor I heard is that it is closed on high air pollutant days for dust control. I was told the cops were turning away rig after rig one day __________________ We are now having our pre-summer sale!! 4 Barell kits $925 complete! Suzuki Samurai $625 complete! 22R,Holley 2 barrell,Jeep 258, $800 complete! All other kits on sale! Bulletproof, complete propane kits for carbureted offroad and street vehicles. Please visit our website for details. www.gotpropane.com

05-04-2009, 07:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
lancetkenyon Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 102531 Location: AZ Posts: 196	Not all of it is STL, there is BLM and private property too. But I agree, no one should be shooting there. Ben Avery Shooting Facility is about 10 miles CLOSER to town. You just can't dump your shit there, like the jackasses do at TM. __________________ Remember, I am the Instigator, NOT the leader! Yellow POS-AZ Undertakers Last edited by lancetkenyon; 05-04-2009 at 07:56 AM.

05-04-2009, 11:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
peccary Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Member # 115867 Posts: 145	I have not seen much about the BLM plan for TM on any forums. Check out the BLM link http://www.tablemesarecarea.com/ Looks like a lot of things are on the hit list in the near futyre

05-04-2009, 01:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
ashmanjeepXJ Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Member # 10249 Location: Vail, Arizona Posts: 4,514	http://www.tablemesarecarea.com/Clos...%20Summary.pdf I summarized the trail names and reason for closure of each. This SUCKS. Project Manager: Tom Bickauskas 623-695-2013 thomas_bickauskas@blm.gov 12F=Section of Middle Terminator Route crosses private property (not approved for access) In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat) In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails) In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management) In a Riparian corridor (closure would allow for improvement of condition) 273=Armageddon In Desert Wash (closure could improve desert wash habitat) In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat) In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails) In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management) In a Riparian corridor SPRING (closure would allow for improvement of condition) 306=Collateral damage Route crosses private property (not approved for access) Route goes through or is proximate to a cultual site (within 1/4 mile) In Desert Wash (closure could improve desert wash habitat) In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails) In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management) In a Riparian corridor ACCESS ROUTE (closure would allow for improvement of condition) Leads to/Ends at a Riparian Corridor 307=Twisted Route crosses private property (not approved for access) Route goes through or is proximate to a cultual site (within 1/4 mile) In Desert Wash (closure could improve desert wash habitat) In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat) In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails) In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management) In a Riparian corridor ACCESS ROUTE (closure would allow for improvement of condition) Leads to/Ends at a Riparian Corridor 309=Middle Terminator Route crosses private property (not approved for access) In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat) In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails) In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management) In a Riparian corridor (closure would allow for improvement of condition) 310=Judgement Day Route crosses private property (not approved for access) In Desert Wash (closure could improve desert wash habitat) In Desert Tortoise Habit Cat 2 (closing route could directly or cumulatively improve habitat) In a High Density Route Area (where reductin route density would benefit wildlife or objective such as loop trails) In an Area where route proliferation is occurring (closure benefits wildlife or improve trail system management) Leads to/Ends at a Riparian Corridor In or Proximate to Wilderness Characteristics Area (closure would benefit maintaining this area) __________________ Dave, 2013 KOH "Got, Some of it" #697 JIMMY'S 4X4 Grand Cherokee Buggy ADS Shocks LQ4-Th400-Atlas4sp D60 14B Come wheel with us WheelingArizona.com Ashman's youtube channel Last edited by ashmanjeepXJ; 05-04-2009 at 01:17 PM.

05-04-2009, 04:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
peccary Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Member # 115867 Posts: 145	TM trails The map that is published is very hard to read and I believe that the trail closure list is even greater than what they admit to. Last edited by peccary; 05-04-2009 at 04:10 PM.

05-06-2009, 07:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
IROK Cherokee Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 77718 Location: Preskitt Posts: 1,097	More are on the way fellas. They have the universal anti fun off road code book and they're using it step by step. Hey BLM __________________ '89 B2 with slight modifications [QUOTE=AZFord4x4;8084876] I really shouldn't download so much porn while I'm trying to ban people.[/QUOTE]

05-11-2009, 09:29 AM	#17 (permalink)
2003_ram Rock God Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 127313 Location: AZ Posts: 1,255	All our offroad areas are closed, looks like its back to pulling off the road and wheeling wherever whatever you can find. __________________ Nobama, I don't mind working for my money, you shouldn't either. Willys Build http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824952 “If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?” - John Wooden RIP "Let every man have a pistol, instead of one man have a tank." Last edited by 2003_ram; 05-11-2009 at 10:57 AM.

01-20-2010, 04:02 PM	#18 (permalink)
Luv2Crawl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Member # 148377 Location: Phoenix Posts: 35	Any new news on the TM area. I like to crawl in this area and I like to ride in the dunes in Cali. Everywhere I go, they want to shut the land down. What the hell!

01-22-2010, 05:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
dumass Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13586 Location: tucson Posts: 919	Are you registered to vote and you bother to do so? They'll gladly mail you a ballot wherever you are.....free. Maybe we need to get serious? Or we can continue to do the same things and expect a different outcome. Let's organize a cleanup or help them inventory the trails ......again.

01-22-2010, 07:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
newmexicocrawler Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 63257 Location: albuquerque N.M. Posts: 342	I went to AZ for a wheeling trip for the week between Christmas and New Years, i spent Sat. thru Wed. in FJ and till Sun. in TM. Both were AWSOME the best trails i have wheeled outside of Moab and Farmington. Fj being better than TM, but TM looked REALLY REALLY BAD!!!!! I mean BAAAAD!!!! It's not the wheelers it's the shooters, WOW that place is the worst place for trash I have ever seen! I can not beileve the county has not shut that place down. There is several things that can be done about this but none are being done. One thing is for sure SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!!!!Heath. __________________ I am the Samurai GOD!!! Lets see how big your "Ca-Ho-Nies" really are...Follow me !!

05-19-2010, 03:22 PM	#21 (permalink)
AZ-Ted Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Member # 160659 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 11	The area of Table Mesa near the Agua Fria River is private and has recently been fenced off. So, there is no access to the "beach" near the river. But, you can still legally (easement) cross the river to get to the trails on the other side. Picture of Table Mesa at Agua Fria River is from April 2010: EDIT: Re-sized the picture. __________________ 2006 XOR 4x4 Titan Swapped, Fully Shrocked, etc., etc. Last edited by AZ-Ted; 05-20-2010 at 02:06 PM. Reason: Picture Size

05-19-2010, 04:09 PM	#22 (permalink)
blazerv10 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Member # 132931 Location: peoria az Posts: 195	holy giant pictures batman.

05-20-2010, 06:45 AM	#23 (permalink)
atonofun Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Member # 156186 Posts: 3	The last clean up was May 8th. BLM supplied a 40 yard dumpster. About 60 people showed up to help, the dumpster was full in 4 hours. Arizona virtual jeep club posted it on another local site alloffroadaz.com. Thats where i heard about it. Some trails are still opened. We just have to keep working at this to so we have SOME place to wheel.

05-21-2010, 11:06 PM	#25 (permalink)
aftershokk86 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Member # 98845 Location: phoenix, az Posts: 741	And PLEASE do not be one of the guys going on the private property at night, ripping up, running over Roberts fence to drive up and down the river or access ds, cd and other trails from the river bottom. its disrespectful and just going to get our trails shut down faster he does technically own the lower half of the trails, even if you run them from the top down. It always has been private property, noone gave a fuck about the old town though and now someone bought it and knows what Gilette was and intends to develop the land __________________ [COLOR="Blue"] . __________________________________________ \|\|[FONT="Impact"][SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]PHX AZ[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]____\|\|________________\|\|___TOYOTA__\|\| \|\|__________\|\|________________\|\|____________\|\|[/COLOR]

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