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Old 09-03-2019, 08:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dana 60 - Turns farther left than right

My truck is running a Dana 60 king pin front axle from a 1982 k30 truck utilizing the stock setup. The steering wheel isn't centered but the truck tracks straight. What I'm experiencing though is that when turning right, I only get about 3/4 of a turn to the right before I hit the stops and then about 1 1/2 turns to the left before I hit the stops. I'm completely ignorant on setting up steering stops or these axles in general. What are some of the things I can check or adjust? I didn't install this axle so I'm starting from scratch for the most part. Thank you.
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Don't adjust the steering stops, the issue is likely a drag link adjustment.

Is the truck lifted? If so, are there any corrective parts in the steering (dropped pitman arm, dropped drag link, etc)? If you're not sure, post pics.

What you are describing is typically the result of lifting a truck but leaving the steering components stock, this results in a loss of the range of motion.
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Park your truck with the front tires pointing straight ahead. Disconnect the drag link at the pitman arm. Turn the steering wheel fully left to right while counting the turns, then center the steering box so you have equal turns left and right. Re-connect the pitman arm, shorten or lengthen the arm so it will connect without turning the box or tires. Once connected, see if you have equal turns both ways. If not, see if it has adjustable stops, and see if it's turning all the way to the stops. If you have big tires, and a steering box hanging off the outside of the frame, they may have stopped the right side steering so the tire doesn't hit the box when turned and flexed out.
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Park your truck with the front tires pointing straight ahead. Disconnect the drag link at the pitman arm. Turn the steering wheel fully left to right while counting the turns, then center the steering box so you have equal turns left and right. Re-connect the pitman arm, shorten or lengthen the arm so it will connect without turning the box or tires. Once connected, see if you have equal turns both ways. If not, see if it has adjustable stops, and see if it's turning all the way to the stops. If you have big tires, and a steering box hanging off the outside of the frame, they may have stopped the right side steering so the tire doesn't hit the box when turned and flexed out.
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This.

the idea here is to see if you are hitting the steering stops on the knuckle or inside the gear box.
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I'll try this tomorrow.

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Park the truck with the wheels straight. Adjust the draglink longer until the steering box and steering wheel centers itself.

Same thing happens on a 1stgen Dodge when you lift. Except the link isn't adjustable.
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Didn't answer if you have any steering correction on for the lift. If not you will need to address that first. I have found that lifting these without steering correction results in not steering left enough.
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:14 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Don't know. I bought the truck as it sits in my signature. I'll throw up a few pictures tomorrow.

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Didn't answer if you have any steering correction on for the lift. If not you will need to address that first. I have found that lifting these without steering correction results in not steering left enough.
Exactly. No sense in monkeying up steering stops and drag link positions if it's got 6" lift with zero corrective steering parts. If none, you can make all the changes you want and center the steering wheel but it still wont have a turning radius worth a shit.
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Steering box is on the outside of the frame rail so makes sense I can't turn as far right as I can left. Now the question is how do I fix it?

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You have a raised steering arm for steering correction. So try the draglink adjustment.
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That raised arm is pretty cool, I think it's a Rugged Trail piece they quit making 30+ yrs ago.

Edit: if you decide to make any changes and get rid of the steering arm, let me know.
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I'd suggest crossover steering.
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That draglink looks really short, like maybe the rear draglink end could be the wrong part. From memory, there is a few inches of un-threaded shank between the adjuster and the end. There may not be any more adjustment left there. You want at least 1" of thread inside the tube, but the more the better.
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EDIT, looking at the pic again, maybe it's right? I'd do the deal I described above and see if the link is too short when the box is centered and the wheels are straight.
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The stock arm has a shorter lever, and some backswing to it.



If the draglink runs out of adjustment, it may need to be shortened slightly.

EDIT: I think the OP's arm is for a Dodge/Ford application since the draglink end goes in bottom-up. GM goes in top-down. The tapers on the bottom-up arms are smaller, so a TRE has likely been substituted.
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That raised arm is pretty cool, I think it's a Rugged Trail piece they quit making 30+ yrs ago.

Edit: if you decide to make any changes and get rid of the steering arm, let me know.
I was wondering who made that or if it was a homemade job. Never seen one before.
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I was wondering who made that or if it was a homemade job. Never seen one before.
If its the real deal its technically an antique. lol
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Spoke to the original owner and I'm not crazy, it's purposely set up this way. Most he said he could get is 1 1/2 turns either left or right if it was perfectly even and then it's maxed out. So basically 3 turns lock to lock. I'm going to try centering it myself and maybe I can get some more out of it.

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That's about right with the stock 4wd chevy box.
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If you center the box and have the wheels straight but the drag link won't reach, you need a longer rod end or sleeve.
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Spoke to the original owner and I'm not crazy, it's purposely set up this way. Most he said he could get is 1 1/2 turns either left or right if it was perfectly even and then it's maxed out. So basically 3 turns lock to lock. I'm going to try centering it myself and maybe I can get some more out of it.
3 turns lock-to-lock within the steering box? Or 3 turns between steering stops at the knuckles?

Maybe its the way the pics look... but the knuckle arm looks longer than stock, and longer than the pitman arm. I think you're losing some steering range there.
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EDIT: I think the OP's arm is for a Dodge/Ford application since the draglink end goes in bottom-up. GM goes in top-down. The tapers on the bottom-up arms are smaller, so a TRE has likely been substituted.
Dodges only had a slight raise to them 1"-1 1/2" or so. Ford were flat. I wouldn't rule out that being a 78-79 Ford that was bent to "work" though. But most likely on old aftermarket piece.
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Dodges only had a slight raise to them 1"-1 1/2" or so. Ford were flat. I wouldn't rule out that being a 78-79 Ford that was bent to "work" though. But most likely on old aftermarket piece.
I meant aftermarket dodge/ford application. It's definitely taller, and perhaps longer than the stock dodge arm.
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The front and rear axles came off his dad's 1982 k30 truck. This is all foreign territory for me so forgive the ignorance. I haven't had a chance to work on it yet but plan to after the dove hunt tomorrow.

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