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Old 01-05-2013, 09:02 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Maybe this has been covered elsewhere but, what's the deal with wheeling during the week? Obviously stay off any routes used for racing.
Is there a way of finding out what trails are being used, what day, as to stay out of the way of competitors.
Yes, all of your questions have been covered elsewhere, in links above, many times. I will answer them though, to keep someone else from asking again.

-All trails are open during race week, except on race days.

-The course will be released on Fri 2/1/13. Buy a poster or a program, they will have the main race course and probably the other courses as well, except for KOM, which is not announced ahead of time.

-The full schedule of events is here: 2013 KOH Week Schedule | Ultra4Racing.com

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Old 01-05-2013, 09:51 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Maybe this has been covered elsewhere but, what's the deal with wheeling during the week? Obviously stay off any routes used for racing.
Is there a way of finding out what trails are being used, what day, as to stay out of the way of competitors.
What Mark said, so you know in detail.

In general, don't plan on running any of the popular trails on Sunday, Thursday, or Friday.
Based on last year, don't plan on running Chocolate Thunder or the general vicinity during qualifying on Wednesday and Thursday; the rest should be open. DO plan to run the trails in the race direction as competitors will be pre-running.

I only get to the Hammers during KOH as well. Volunteering on race days, so I try to maximize my trail running time the rest of the week. Semi-busy early in the week, and a complete zoo later in the week.
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What Mark said, so you know in detail.

In general, don't plan on running any of the popular trails on Sunday, Thursday, or Friday.
Based on last year, don't plan on running Chocolate Thunder or the general vicinity during qualifying on Wednesday and Thursday; the rest should be open. DO plan to run the trails in the race direction as competitors will be pre-running.

I only get to the Hammers during KOH as well. Volunteering on race days, so I try to maximize my trail running time the rest of the week. Semi-busy early in the week, and a complete zoo later in the week.
Try Backdoor after hours in the dark for the ultimate wheeling experience! At least once a year someone comes in butt hurt and covered in beer saying they flipped their junk and all the "locals" are harassing them..."help me!"

The first year I fell for this. Only issue is they aren't locals and are just having fun. Be their entertainment!
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Try Backdoor after hours in the dark for the ultimate wheeling experience! At least once a year someone comes in butt hurt and covered in beer saying they flipped their junk and all the "locals" are harassing them..."help me!"

The first year I fell for this. Only issue is they aren't locals and are just having fun. Be their entertainment!



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Im planning on coming to KOH this year for the first time. I will most likely be tent camping. My biggest question is, will my mostly stock 08 F250 be able to get me to most/ best spectator spots. My jimmy wont be 100% trail ready by then and I would rather not pay the extra in fuel towing it all the way from south texas.lol This thread has alot of good info and answered most of my questions.
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In years past, spectator areas were accessible by 2wd vehicles. I'm sure this year will be no different.
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Im planning on coming to KOH this year for the first time. I will most likely be tent camping. My biggest question is, will my mostly stock 08 F250 be able to get me to most/ best spectator spots. My jimmy wont be 100% trail ready by then and I would rather not pay the extra in fuel towing it all the way from south texas.lol This thread has alot of good info and answered most of my questions.
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A stock 4x4 will make it to all the official spectator areas. A 2WD anything will make it to Hammertown easily and most spectator areas, if you want to abuse it a little. The only issue might be sand and ground clearance in certain areas, but there will be several thousand people around that would probably be happy to pull you out after they laugh at you some.
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Planning on rolling in on Mon. or Tue. First time, camp location is my question. Would like to park the RV near other PBB folks who like to drink around the fire in the evening W#@&% permitting. Would like to be close enough to Hammertown to watch and possibly assist teams in race prep. My 21 year old son and I are handy with tools but would be happy just to fetch stuff and hold lights, tools, beer, parts, our comments, etc if needed. Any suggestions for camping site complete with road directions and names of neighbors? We will be in a 25-28 ft MH towing jeep on trailer.
GL with that. Usually showing up in the middle of the night and driving around for about 30 min. will find you the best spot..


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5. Load up 1 thirty pack of beer, per day, per adult.


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Try Backdoor after hours in the dark for the ultimate wheeling experience! At least once a year someone comes in butt hurt and covered in beer saying they flipped their junk and all the "locals" are harassing them..."help me!"

The first year I fell for this. Only issue is they aren't locals and are just having fun. Be their entertainment!
It is weird that some of the "Locals" have Canadian accents.
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Been a few years since i made it down, but after reading all this I'm making it out in an RV come hell or high water....

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Edit: I guess the question being asked of me was can a person ride in the back of a buggy out to the spectating area without a seat legally?
A Buddy of ours is wanting a ride from the lake bed to spectate in the back of the buggy behind the seats!!!

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Edit: I guess the question being asked of me was can a person ride in the back of a buggy out to the spectating area without a seat legally?
A Buddy of ours is wanting a ride from the lake bed to spectate in the back of the buggy behind the seats!!!

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No, BLM will not be pleased, plenty of previous actions have ended with very bad results, those of us doing medical would like to avoid flying out somebody because they got tossed in a bomb crater.
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Edit: I guess the question being asked of me was can a person ride in the back of a buggy out to the spectating area without a seat legally?
A Buddy of ours is wanting a ride from the lake bed to spectate in the back of the buggy behind the seats!!!

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No, BLM will not be pleased, plenty of previous actions have ended with very bad results, those of us doing medical would like to avoid flying out somebody because they got tossed in a bomb crater.
if its the chick in his avatar, can we make an exception?

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I'm the passenger in question, looking to catch a ride out to watch no high speed dry lake running planned. My question is what's the difference of riding in the buggy and riding in the back of a pickup? I seen plenty of that last year.
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I'm the passenger in question, looking to catch a ride out to watch no high speed dry lake running planned. My question is what's the difference of riding in the buggy and riding in the back of a pickup? I seen plenty of that last year.
nothing. they are both illegal.
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No, BLM will not be pleased, plenty of previous actions have ended with very bad results, those of us doing medical would like to avoid flying out somebody because they got tossed in a bomb crater.
I'm not looking to do this but trying to tell a buddy yes its legal or no it is not.

He will probably do it anyway because he has a problem with authority!!!!

He has already told said buddy when we go to hit trails he is stuck in camp because of safety. But would haul him to spectate
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Looking at California ohv laws now, what do they classify buggies as? It's not and rov due to engine size "more than 1000cc".
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if its the chick in his avatar, can we make an exception?

My wife wouldnt need a seat belt she would be on my lap and couldn't fall off if you get my drift!!!!
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Well i just read the California ohv/rov laws and the only thing i can see is i have to be belted in, must be able to reach a suitable hand hold while belted and feet must be flat on the floor while sitting flat against the seat back. So if i were to put a seat sideways behind the pass seat of an ftoy that has a seat belt will that keep the fuzz happy?
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Well i just read the California ohv/rov laws and the only thing i can see is i have to be belted in, must be able to reach a suitable hand hold while belted and feet must be flat on the floor while sitting flat against the seat back. <This applies mostly to UTV's. So if i were to put a seat sideways behind the pass seat of an ftoy that has a seat belt will that keep the fuzz happy?
If the seat is mounted securely along with the seat belt, I think you will be fine/legal.
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I do remember people being pulled over and ticketed last year on the way back from Choc thunder. Think about it... if you are pulled over for something like that, what else will they site you for. Not worth it....
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Here goes...common sense and safety usually don't coexist when we hear of an accident. You do not have to go fast to get hurt badly. If you are unfamiliar with the laws and regulations and you think it may be a violation of some kind...it probably is! How many threads do we read a year where someone was only driving a short distance and their junk broke or rolled? Then we all say how stupid people are and become critics. How about we become critical with our safety before it gets to a breaking point?

If it looks even remotely unsafe and you are within HammerTown proper you will be confronted. If you are outside the boundaries there are plenty of uniformed LEOs looking for reasons to stop you! As mentioned before...what else will they find wrong on a vehicle they may have no clue about.

The craters, the whoops, the ledges, the 40k other people weaving across the lakebed...will jump out at you in a hurry! I am sure we will respond to extreme accidents that could have been avoided again this year...but it would be awesome if we didn't have to.

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I'm not looking to do this but trying to tell a buddy yes its legal or no it is not.

He will probably do it anyway because he has a problem with authority!!!!

He has already told said buddy when we go to hit trails he is stuck in camp because of safety. But would haul him to spectate
tell him to stay home...A$$holes like this, screw it up for the rest of the 40k people that want to enjoy this for years to come...
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