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Old 02-18-2011, 02:57 PM   #201 (permalink)
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Hey now, go easy on the UT guys since they devoted time to pitting for that guy that almost lapped you twice in the Black IFS car.

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This is just a suggestion for next years race. Since it is a lap event, why not start half the field on lap one and the other half on lap two to help prevent some of the traffic? Or have three laps so the leaders race the final lap together? Tons of options.
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John your a pussy for not winching that guy out of the way on OL. I was right behind you and my spotter pulled my cable at a 90 degree angle around your rig to winch him maybe 6 inches. Your the reason the traffic jams dont get cleared any faster. Shit right after that there was a guy rolled over in the dessert and everyone else was just blowing past him. Guess what we stopped and pulled him back over. If you cant spend 1 minute helping someone else out your a fucking pussy.
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This is just a suggestion for next years race. Since it is a lap event, why not start half the field on lap one and the other half on lap two to help prevent some of the traffic? Or have three laps so the leaders race the final lap together? Tons of options.
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This is just a suggestion for next years race. Since it is a lap event, why not start half the field on lap one and the other half on lap two to help prevent some of the traffic? Or have three laps so the leaders race the final lap together? Tons of options.
Or go back to single file starts?
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is this thread still going on?

OMG i thought i already made it clear: the race only had 1 problem this year and it wasn't john james, dave or jeff, or buggy builds, it is that half the drivers suck at driving and shouldn't be in the race. if you know that's you, then you should take yourself out of rock sport and go hiking.


i think the field of cars should be smaller and get rid of the guys who can't drive. you know who you are!
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I think this thread is funny shit, It def. brings the drama for next year. As far as saying half the pack couldn't drive I call bullshit. I was watching on Pirate tv like alot of east coasters and I will tell you for certain that I saw alot of great rock crawlers, champions and top 5 guys make some major mistakes in the rocks. I would never say they can't drive. I would say they had a bad day made a bad choice or let the race get to them mentally. Alot of the other problem on the rocks is everyone has changed there rig so much to go faster in the desert that those rigs no longer kick ass on the rocks also greater tire pressures and tires aimed more at desert then rocks. If you don't like where you start don't go to the race wait till the next year to see if you like your chances better.
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John your a pussy for not winching that guy out of the way on OL. I was right behind you and my spotter pulled my cable at a 90 degree angle around your rig to winch him maybe 6 inches. Your the reason the traffic jams dont get cleared any faster. Shit right after that there was a guy rolled over in the dessert and everyone else was just blowing past him. Guess what we stopped and pulled him back over. If you cant spend 1 minute helping someone else out your a fucking pussy.

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OMG i thought i already made it clear: the race only had 1 problem this year and it wasn't john james, dave or jeff, or buggy builds, it is that half the drivers suck at driving and shouldn't be in the race. if you know that's you, then you should take yourself out of rock sport and go hiking.


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I was watching on Pirate tv like alot of east coasters and I will tell you for certain that I saw alot of great rock crawlers, champions and top 5 guys make some major mistakes in the rocks.

good point. let me elaborate on what a good KOH driver is. when a mistake is made, a good driver gets their junk out of the way and help the flow of the race. when they try an obstacacle for more than a minute, they get out and winch or let others by. not sit and flail on the obstacle like a beached whale till they brake. being a good driver is about common sense, not never making mistakes and never getting diffed. its what you do after you make that mistake that makes you a good driver.
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Never happen. And even if it did, the same bitching, arguments, and sniveling would happen from the guys furthest away from the middle because the luck of the draw gave them a huge PERCEIVED disadvantage.
Nope, that won't ever happen either. Dave and Jeff are nothing if not true to the root premise of what KOH is.
There's always room for another promoter to start a race. Step it up.

i was not trying to talk shit, just stating what i would like to see, if i had half a clue as to where to start i would love to host an event, but right now ill just tell others how i think they could improve on theres.
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Out of interest Hobie, do you think you could qualify for the race through the current qualifiers?
I guess the majority of the drivers have qualified their way in. Should it be tougher to keep people out???
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OMG i thought i already made it clear: the race only had 1 problem this year and it wasn't john james, dave or jeff, or buggy builds, it is that half the drivers suck at driving and shouldn't be in the race. if you know that's you, then you should take yourself out of rock sport and go hiking.


i think the field of cars should be smaller and get rid of the guys who can't drive. you know who you are!
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OMG i thought i already made it clear: the race only had 1 problem this year and it wasn't john james, dave or jeff, or buggy builds, it is that half the drivers suck at driving and shouldn't be in the race. if you know that's you, then you should take yourself out of rock sport and go hiking.


i think the field of cars should be smaller and get rid of the guys who can't drive. you know who you are!
I said this in another thread and was told I was a moron. Just because you are racing in KOH does not mean you can ACTUALLY drive.
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First off, I don't race, can't afford it. I would if I could. My opinion is just that, an opinion, thought... I love KOH and really want to see another one so here goes.
I like the idea of starting two different fields but don't think that keeping track of all the cars would go well.
As for getting drivers out of the race that cannot drive, I don't think the spectators or promoter would want that. Less income, less of a specticle.
As far as who is responsible for the log jam, the course designer. They knew it would happen. It will always happen with this type of format. The format is the draw of KOH, love it or leave it.
As far as safety, if the BLM doesn't like it they will shut it down. This will be the promoters problem.
If there are drivers that don't like being driven over, talk to the promoter. Maybe a rule that if you drive over another car then you pay for the damage to said car...
The drivers and promoter need to sit down and air it out. That is the only way KOH will survive and evolve.
Again, I love KOH and would love to race in it. But until I hit it rich I will have to watch it through the eyes of the racers. Sit down and talk it out. Come to a compromise on safety, win at all cost mentality, and race format between the racers and the promoter.
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is this thread still going on?

OMG i thought i already made it clear: the race only had 1 problem this year and it wasn't john james, dave or jeff, or buggy builds, it is that half the drivers suck at driving and shouldn't be in the race. if you know that's you, then you should take yourself out of rock sport and go hiking.


i think the field of cars should be smaller and get rid of the guys who can't drive. you know who you are!
Are you kidding!!! There are drivers from other parts of the country that dont have rocks like this to drive on.... Who are you to say someone can't Drive? Not everyone is a rock god like you Hobie.
Most of the field has to qualify for KOH in different events and not all have rock trails like KOH.. Yes there are drivers better in the rocks just like there are drivers better in the Desert Sections.... But to say they don't belong at KOH because they got stuck or broke in the rocks is a bit harsh..
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good point. Let me elaborate on what a good koh driver is. When a mistake is made, a good driver gets their junk out of the way and help the flow of the race. When they try an obstacacle for more than a minute, they get out and winch or let others by. Not sit and flail on the obstacle like a beached whale till they brake. Being a good driver is about common sense, not never making mistakes and never getting diffed. Its what you do after you make that mistake that makes you a good driver.
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good point. let me elaborate on what a good KOH driver is. when a mistake is made, a good driver gets their junk out of the way and help the flow of the race. when they try an obstacacle for more than a minute, they get out and winch or let others by.
Hobie I think you were right behind us on Sunbonnet last year when one of the Lovells was having a hard time on a ledge. He gave it a few shots then backed off and let us play through.

That was a big time class act move and I made a point of finding him after the race and thanking him for that.
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I said this in another thread and was told I was a moron. Just because you are racing in KOH does not mean you can ACTUALLY drive.
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Out of interest Hobie, do you think you could qualify for the race through the current qualifiers?
I guess the majority of the drivers have qualified their way in. Should it be tougher to keep people out???
yes i could qualify. though it will be tougher to qualify as more and more rigs are getting more and more capable in the rocks and the desert.

years ago, it was invite only for the first 2 years. my rock crawling championships got me on the list.

but its not about qualifying. if you notice, the underlining message is common sense. if you are messing around on an obstacle for 10 minutes holding people up, you should self examine what's going on? if your rig is broke, then you should be already winching. i saw people trying to make lines with broken rear lockers and holding people up. if you have a great buggy but you get hung up on everything, then you should be embarrassed and take yourself out of the race and go to dustin's school or rockcrawling.
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Are you kidding!!! There are drivers from other parts of the country that dont have rocks like this to drive on.... Who are you to say someone can't Drive? Not everyone is a rock god like you Hobie.
Most of the field has to qualify for KOH in different events and not all have rock trails like KOH.. Yes there are drivers better in the rocks just like there are drivers better in the Desert Sections.... But to say they don't belong at KOH because they got stuck or broke in the rocks is a bit harsh..
hahaha. i never stated who the persons were that can't drive. i figure if you get offended by that, then its you

like i stated earlier, its not about being broke or making a mistake, its what you do after it. see my post from a few post ago.
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Hobie I think you were right behind us on Sunbonnet last year when one of the Lovells was having a hard time on a ledge. He gave it a few shots then backed off and let us play through.

That was a big time class act move and I made a point of finding him after the race and thanking him for that.
exactly, it was amsoil car, i am not sure who was driving. we were going up sun bonnet at a pinch rock and there was no way around. after 1 or 2 minutes, the amsiol car that couldnt make the climb, kept his cool, didnt brake his rig and just backed off to figure out what to do next and let us go by. he probably got his winch out, but i didnt stick around to find out
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hahaha. i never stated who the persons were that can't drive. i figure if you get offended by that, then its you

like i stated earlier, its not about being broke or making a mistake, its what you do after it. see my post from a few post ago.
Never said you did>> You did say half the field..

I never said I could drive.... but I have finished the 2 KOH mains I have Raced in.... even qualified for next year
I think every racer that qualified for KOH deservers to be there!!!

Hobie I do understand what you are trying to say though...
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There are drivers from other parts of the country that dont have rocks like this to drive on.....
Not bashing anyone here with the following statement, "I say this with all due respect"

We came across across a couple rigs on Jack that had what looked like 42s, rear steer and big ass motors just flailing and getting hung on EVERYTHING. My co-driver and I were discussing this very thing while passing, lack of experience in the rocks most likely due to where they came out from. It was painfully obvious that they were trying to go around the big rocks instead of picking a line that would have them on top of the big rocks.
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is this thread still going on?

OMG i thought i already made it clear: the race only had 1 problem this year and it wasn't john james, dave or jeff, or buggy builds, it is that half the drivers suck at driving and shouldn't be in the race. if you know that's you, then you should take yourself out of rock sport and go hiking.


i think the field of cars should be smaller and get rid of the guys who can't drive. you know who you are!
Agree! As a spectator I saw tons of drivers and co drivers making wrong decisions, taking bad lines... Talking with alot of other spectators out there, they all felt the same way this year more than past years.

Don't get me wrong here, I am not a racer and might get caught up in the moment when the green flag drops. Just saying that you could tell who was more serious than others. Shit happens to everyone though!
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Never said you did>> You did say half the field..


we should make list of disqualifications for KOH, like "you might be a redneck" jokes.


i'll start:

if you can't crawl the waterfall on after shock; "you might be a terrbile KOH driver"

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if you flailed around on the right line at the top of OL in 2011 for 20 minutes before you winched; "you might be a terrbile KOH driver"

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if your co driver is out spotting you up the access road to OL; "you might be a terrbile KOH driver"

or

if you tried to CRAWL backdoor for 10 minutes with a broken rear locker; "you might be a terrbile KOH driver"
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