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Old 01-17-2018, 01:04 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Should be a separate forum for us dakota/durango SAS guys

My first was a club cab, this time around I went to a quad cab as well.

Although the red quad cab on R/T 17s with a cowl hood is so sweet looking, I might just keep this one on-road and get a second one for SAS

they are dirt cheap these days
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Old 01-20-2018, 04:10 PM   #27 (permalink)
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yah with all the different ways to do it a thread just on SAS conversions would be really helpful - probably be more useful on Dakota-Durango forum tho

picked up the rear axle - found a guy parting out an '03 Chevy 2500 gasser and it had a 10.5" 14 bolt full floater axle, with factory discs and e-brake - standard 8-on-6.5 pattern, and the WMS is within an inch of a Ford D60 so no spacers - got it for $400 and some fuel. Looks like it has 3.54s - not sure if there is a carrier break with these axles but hoping a set of 5.38s will bolt in, and it has an open diff so plans are for an Aussie locker.













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Old 02-02-2018, 02:15 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I've been thinking about installing a SYE kit on my NP233D - was talking with John at JB Conversions, and it sounds like I would need the 16-1205 kit to do a SYE on my NP233D t-case.

But I also had another thought - since my rear shaft is nearly 5 feet long and pretty 'vulnerable' I'm entertaining an idea about leaving the slip yoke style in place and instead re-designing the rear shaft as a two-piece HD set up - have it aim straight out to a carrier bearing, and use a DC joint to aim the second half straight down to the diff, which I'll rotate up for a near zero angle, and added clearance....and I think I have enough 'left overs' to do it all, and will just need the shafts cut to length.

Plus, when the SAS time comes I'm doing a 2-piece rear shaft anyway, so I'll only need to modify the rear shaft to match the 14b.....

The other thing I've been pondering is which steering gearbox to use with the SAS - after talking with the guys at PSC and looking at the truck and some spare gearboxes...I think I'm going to go with a normal "80s" era Dodge gearbox. PSC said they can build one to their normal specs, but also can build it so the pitman arm aims forward instead of rearward. The frame won't require any more mods than using a Toyota or early Ford box will, so right now the plan is just to use a normal Dodge box.
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:21 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I have a front swing ramcharger box rebuilt and tapped by west Texas off-road if your interested.
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appreciate the offer - will be a while before I'm ready to pick up steering hardware tho...

scored a Ford D60 front end from an 89 F350 SRW truck today for $900. Decided to go with the late 80s kingpin 60 because the spring pads are farther apart, which according to my tape measure should match very well with the Dakota's frame.

Was initially looking for either a kingpin or ball joint axle, but after looking at the custom machine work necessary to do crossover steering on a ball joint knuckle I decided to stick with a kingpin version. Plus there are HD knuckles available for the kingpin axles and not for the ball joint units.

Interestingly enough, the PO installed 4.88 gears and a spool - bet that steered well when engaged . Both the 4.88s and spool will be for sale. It also has a set of 1/4" spacers for whatever reason...

Unfortunately the guy also 'shaved' both the calipers and mounts to clear his wheels...which means I need a good used set of caliper mounts, but I'm planning to bolt up new calipers anyway so those are a wash.















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I have high steer arms for that axle that I'll basically give away to a good cause. $75 bucks shipped for a pair.
https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/misc-...teer-arms.html

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Old 02-12-2018, 03:27 PM   #33 (permalink)
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surely appreciate the offer man, however I'm only planning to go with crossover and not full high steer. Thanks again for the heads up!
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okay so I have a technical question and while I think I know the answer to this but I'd like to get some second opinions/thoughts on it -

so I'm going to run a Ford kingpin D60 up front, and I was planning to go with the Reid knuckles because of the strength and tie rod placement, but another option is to go with all Dodge hardware from the knuckles-out.

If I did that I'd gain some of the strength (not as much as the Reid option but enough IMO), I'd gain a 6-bolt spindle mount vs 5 (never a bad thing), and I'd gain the tie rod placement I want. I already have a set of good Dodge knuckles and hardware...

The other part of the puzzle is axle shafts - IIUC if I hang Dodge knuckles/hubs on a Ford 60 the axle width would increase by 5/8" (.6" stub) per side, and I would need Dodge stubs on the Ford inner shafts.

Sure there are lots of pros and cons...but purely from a technical standpoint do I have that right?

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Edit - actually I just talked with the guys are RCV and they confirmed all of the above is doable and that they can do 'hybrid' Ford inner/Dodge outer shafts at no additional cost.

Still - any reasons why this is a less than awesome idea?

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Only thing I can think of is how everyone complains about the dodge brake setup over the ford. You could probably sell the ford parts pretty easy to a newer ram unit bearing 60 guy trying to get locking hubs and serviceable bearings .
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I think the reason(s) the Dodge brakes get a bad rap is because of the less than awesome vacuum booster system powering the calipers. I've converted all of my 1st gens to hydroboost and the first time I tested it at speed I near threw myself through the damn windshield - point being when SAS time comes I'm doing hydroboost too so should be good there.

About the only 'con' I guess is the added 1.25" wider WMS...but even for Colorado that ain't that much...


Here's a question, are the Ford dual piston brakes good enough to be worth keeping? I've no problem going either way really - just thinking out loud and weighing all my availablel options. Besides if I keep the Ford hardware then the WMS will be within an inch of the rear GM 14b, and I'm kind of OCD about my front and rear WMS not being noticeable different...
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The Dodge brakes could be better and hydroboost is one way to get it but I think it's more of a "x" brake works good for "x" application deal. I think the stock Dodge kingpin D60 brakes work terrific on my Ramcharger, but not so much on a 1 ton with a load. I think they would be ok for your use, and if not, I'm sure you are more than capable of getting a hybrid setup figured out that will work for you.

As for the Dodge knuckles, if you wheel like I think you do based on your videos and pics, I think you would be ok with the Dodge knuckles and hubs. If you have the stuff laying around you can always use it for now and then upgrade down the road if things become a problem. I can't recall anyone I know having issues with the stock knuckles in recent memory, but then I'm not around anyone running a rock bouncer or anyone trying to push 500 HP though 44" tires like the old days.

I'm actually surprised you aren't going full high steer as that's almost a prerequisite of wheeling with a D60 these days. Are you planning on hydro assist?
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yah I don't really have a need for high-steer, and this truck will see hours of sustained highway time so full hydro is out, but ram-assist for certain.

What's nice about the Reid knuckles is that they 'cure' all of the inherent Ford weaknesses - namely added beef around the pins and TREs, and tie rod location, and if I use the Ford hardware I'd retain the dual piston calipers. About the only con is the 5-bolt spindles...and I don't think I've ever heard of anyone out here having a 5-bolt spindle fail...so there's that to consider...
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Doesn't Reid make a 6 bolt knuckle? The best of both worlds?
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yup, could go that route as well - I'm wondering whether the Ford calipers are worth keeping especially with hydroboost - the front brakes would probably be pretty awesome. The only Ford calipers I've ever used were on Bud at all 4 corners and the brakes on that truck were fawking amazing...
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...and this is what I'm really going for - a family-friendly Colorado 'expedition' style machine -

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I like the plan, except for the fact that you are getting rear-ended by a Jeep.

If it were me, I would probably not cut down the rear doors. I am assuming by family, you mean kids, and I wouldn't want them being as exposed and having a roll up window would be nice as well. The driver can benefit from being able to lean out and see where the wheel is, and the passenger as well to a certain extent, but if kids are going to be in the back a full door and a window to roll up if the weather turns bad would head a lot of grumbling and potential sickness. Rear seat passengers just need to see the sights and enjoy the ride, in my opinion.
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all good 'puts - tho I forgot to mention that with the quarter doors will also have some sort of snap-on canvas covers in case the weather etc get's crappy, otherwise everyone will be bolted in - besides - I want our kid to have the same 'right there' experience that we would up front...meh pretty far off before she's old enough to 'wheel with us...but not too far
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Some of the Dodge 60's had external hubs. I have a set of dedenbares (SP) for my hp60 so I am going "chevy" outers. It only matters when you order shafts. Just make sure you know what your inner axle shafts measure and you are good to go. Chevy and Dodge both were 12". Ford's have to have 1/8" milled off so they are 11 7/8. As far as the breaks go, Ford, Dodge or Chevy are all going to be so much better than your stock setup I doubt it really matters. Devil's advocate... Depending on your driving style you might not actually be gaining any strength by upgrading the Ford knuckles. Yes, they are weaker but they are probably far stronger than you actually "need". Just food for thought. If you have a nice set of knuckles and the hard parts to get with it... Meh, go for it. It will be good piece of mind.

BTW... A quad cab Dak is what I am going to put all of my shit in. I look forward to your build.
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went back through my stash and I don't think I have a complete set of Dodge hardware after all, and if I do the Reid knuckles I gain the tie rod placement I want (one of my main reasons for upgrading), so yah I'm thinking I'll just do Reid Ford knuckles and keep everything 'Ford', and then I don't have to use spacers to push the rear wheels out to match the front... - fawking OCD...

Real good discussions fellas - I appreciate the inputs.

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BTW... A quad cab Dak is what I am going to put all of my shit in. I look forward to your build.
I havta admit - of all the machines I've wheeled (including Bud) and even though it isn't 'done', I like this Dak the most. Considering all the criteria for an ideal wheeling machine I've developed over the years, I know when it gets up on 40s it'll be about as perfect a wheeling machine as I could ask for. Great platform to build on/up!
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...was scanning the D60 bible and didn't see this covered - anyone know of the caliper brackets for all kingpin Ford 60s are the same? Mine were ground down to clear small diameter wheels...ground way too far and I'm not running these on the street, so I need another set of caliper brackets, and wondering if all of them from 78-91.5 are the same or if I need a set specific to the 89 axle?
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I also hate the front and rear tracks being different. I dont really mind spacers as long as its within reason so if I need spacers anyhow I use 2 different size spacers to try and correct it.

On brakes I kept thinking something changed mid 80's like 84-85 and calipers mount different. ( I could be wrong I'm not a ford fan but have been forced to work on them over years)
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...was scanning the D60 bible and didn't see this covered - anyone know of the caliper brackets for all kingpin Ford 60s are the same? Mine were ground down to clear small diameter wheels...ground way too far and I'm not running these on the street, so I need another set of caliper brackets, and wondering if all of them from 78-91.5 are the same or if I need a set specific to the 89 axle?
It has been a long time since I have messed with them... But I want to say yes, the breaks are different. Pretty sure they had a "regular beefy break" option and the "giant break" option. I know the kingpin axles were different from 78/79 to the 87-91 also. I think the brackets are different but I never had a side by side comparison. When you order parts use the year model the brackets came off of to be safe.
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