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Old 01-30-2018, 12:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Steering box brace

Is frame flex really that big a problem, and is one of these things worth it?

Steering Brace for 03-08 Dodge Ram 2500/3500 Pickups [1074] | Rough Country Suspension Systemsģ
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With the cummins I suggest doing it, along with the newer style steering upgrade. It makes a noticeable difference in steering feel and eliminates bump steer and death wobble.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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For the price, it definitely seems worth it, especially for the issues 350Taco mentioned
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Old 01-31-2018, 06:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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my understanding is the "flex" puts stress on the output shaft?

I got 200k on my 2001 with factory steering box before the seal on output shaft puked. I put the brace on at like 130k and greased it every oil change (5k miles). I've had 3 total 2nd gen trucks and all the steering boxes have puked around the 120k-140k mark. So I think it gained me some life outta the factory box

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Evergreen SGB-301 Steering Stabilizer Bar 94-02 Dodge Ram 1500 2500 3500 Diesel (4x4 / 4WD only) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L2QU51A..._0iDCAbE5WSJ2K
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good to know, guys. Thanks. I do have the later style steering, but still have the old box.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Don't bother, its an undersized box and no brace will fix that

Buy this instead..

68170214AA

https://www.amazon.com/Mopar-6817-02.../dp/B00E8PWKDS

Finally its an actual MOPAR fix to the original problem. The box is big. Sector shaft is huge in comparison.

Worth every penny IMO

I have a 2nd gen but want to find a way to make this work for me.


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Old 02-01-2018, 12:35 AM   #7 (permalink)
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If you already need a steering box than thats not a bad idea, I cant remember is that like 08+ box that got the upgrade? I think as long as the brace is added before the box goes its honestly a worthwhile addition, we have done 2 2nd gens and a 3rd gen. My 03 had a new box put on it maybe month before I got it so I will probably go with a brace vs full replacement myself, though I could sell my like new box to offset the costs of the better one it just wouldnt cover enough for me to be able to do it at moment.

I keep thinking I had seen someone add their own brace onto the standard style one that actually tied into the steering box mounting bolts on frame like the old squarebody chevy braces just to eliminate frame/box flex possibility.
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2nd and 3rd gen

From upgrading everything but the track bar on my 94, I probably could of got away with just the new style steering and a track bar conversion. my list went in this order
1. Ditch Y style to New T steering-Death wobble
2. Steering box replaced with napa box-Death wobble
3. Install Steering box brace-Death Wobble
4. Ruff stuff Heim steering build-Death wobble

all that improved feel greatly! but if you notice no track bar work done, and I believe it has a fuck load to do with death wobble. The brace is sweet! great for street and tow rigs, The track bar conversion should be done soon after!
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The BDS kit I ordered (3" Kit) has a new adjustable track bar as part of it as well as tubular control arms to keep caster right. Steering is already upgraded to T style.
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The BDS kit I ordered (3" Kit) has a new adjustable track bar as part of it as well as tubular control arms to keep caster right. Steering is already upgraded to T style.
I think your truck will drive great then, If your box is in good shape, or recently replaced I would run the brace to help keep the box fresh. Otherwise add it later when you need to freshen up the box.
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I think your truck will drive great then, If your box is in good shape, or recently replaced I would run the brace to help keep the box fresh. Otherwise add it later when you need to freshen up the box.
The stock box is just too small underneath a Cummins. Brace will help, but size wise - its just small.

I looked underneath mine (new borgeson box, borgeson shaft, 98HD steering, HD track bar) and you can just see the shaft deflecting side to side with steering wheel input. Its not play, it just flexes.

Where abouts are you Dann'l? I live off the 210, drive through La Tuna Canyon almost daily, see a couple 2nd gens every now and then
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Old 02-02-2018, 11:37 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah the brace should eliminate that flex since its adding support on the other end, kinda like how a 14bolt pinion gets its strength. If money isnt a problem the beefier box is worth it for sure but the main deal is brace even with the bigger box.
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Wonder if the brace would work with the later boxes...or maybe it's simply not needed. In any event, my steering box is still alive...truck has not been abused in its 125k miles, and I have run stockish sized tires all that time...but adding a lift now and going to 35s.
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I think a lot of steering related wear is from turning the wheel with the truck stationary. I see lots of people back out of a parking space say, come to a complete stop, turn the wheel from full lock the way they backed out to full lock the other way and then drive away. It takes very little space or extra thought to do your steering direction change in the last foot or so of backing while still moving. It greatly reduces stresses on the whole front suspension and steering. I never wore out the steering on my first gen 4x4 and never had loose or cracking box mount either by using this.
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The stock box is just too small underneath a Cummins. Brace will help, but size wise - its just small.

I looked underneath mine (new borgeson box, borgeson shaft, 98HD steering, HD track bar) and you can just see the shaft deflecting side to side with steering wheel input. Its not play, it just flexes.
So does this mean the 3rd gen steering box bolts to the frame? and all we have to do is build the steering shaft and drag link?


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I think a lot of steering related wear is from turning the wheel with the truck stationary. I see lots of people back out of a parking space say, come to a complete stop, turn the wheel from full lock the way they backed out to full lock the other way and then drive away. It takes very little space or extra thought to do your steering direction change in the last foot or so of backing while still moving. It greatly reduces stresses on the whole front suspension and steering. I never wore out the steering on my first gen 4x4 and never had loose or cracking box mount either by using this.
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I operate the same way, Works everywhere too! watching someone try and steer on the trail without a little rolling assistance is always terrible. either you got it or you dont. Unless you have a Hydro setup.
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[/QUOTE] I operate the same way, Works everywhere too! watching someone try and steer on the trail without a little rolling assistance is always terrible. either you got it or you dont. Unless you have a Hydro setup.[/QUOTE]

Cool, thought it was worth mentioning.
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:22 PM   #17 (permalink)
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well my brace showed up. Nice solid piece and it's pretty clever how it installs. Should only take a few minutes to bolt up. Now if my lift parts would show up......
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So does this mean the 3rd gen steering box bolts to the frame? and all we have to do is build the steering shaft and drag link?



I operate the same way, Works everywhere too! watching someone try and steer on the trail without a little rolling assistance is always terrible. either you got it or you dont. Unless you have a Hydro setup.
The bolt pattern on the 3rd gen box looks the same. If you go on PSC steering site, under 2nd gen they list the HD box I mentioned - but the sector shaft was machined down to fit our pitman arm. You might need to put a washer or something to clear the frame, but I bet its not a big deal. I have a steering brace, but not sure if I want to install it or just sell it all and go the new box route.

As far as turning stationary - you and I live in the city, you know how tight some parking spaces can be, and I live on a steep hill. To parallel park in a tight spot you have no choice but to turn stationary. My truck is stock, I feel that turning stationary should not be an issue with a proper steering setup.

I do have PSC hydro assist off my old SAS truck, but don't really want to add lines and more complexity on a stock rig. But hydro assist was the cat's meow!!
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Kit went on with the rest of my lift over the weekend. Good quality and reasonably priced, in case anyone else is thinking about it.
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With the cummins I suggest doing it, along with the newer style steering upgrade. It makes a noticeable difference in steering feel and eliminates bump steer and death wobble.
I just did this "steering upgrade" along with the brace, new ball joints and a new steering stablizer. Now, I have bump steer, death wobble and it wanders like crazy. Yes it's been aligned along with new Toyos. I hate the way it drives now. I never had those problems with the "old style" steering. I also did new track bar bushings at the same time. The truck only has 132k on it.
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First time I ever heard of that, our trucks all seemed to tighten up and drive better with a more precise steering feel (not a miata by any stretch of imagination but better than stock). Only thing is we didnt upgrade the box on any of them, just the steering style and brace but I dont see a box causing problems your having.
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Yeah, I don't see how a brace could cause any of those symptoms.
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With the cummins I suggest doing it, along with the newer style steering upgrade. It makes a noticeable difference in steering feel and eliminates bump steer and death wobble.
I just did this "steering upgrade" along with the brace, new ball joints and a new steering stablizer. Now, I have bump steer, death wobble and it wanders like crazy. Yes it's been aligned along with new Toyos. I hate the way it drives now. I never had those problems with the "old style" steering. I also did new track bar bushings at the same time. The truck only has 132k on it.
You should really check your control arms for play. When the whole system is worn out generally it just feels soft all around as DW doesn’t show up. Replace a few items with new and it goes crazy with DW, I think you’re in the right direction but likely need new upper and lower control arms. I went through the exact same process but also decided to replace the box (oem) and steering shaft (borgeson) while I was at it. I also added 10ply new tires and then I could really feel the control arms moving- I could move them with a flathead side to side and that was 120k miles.

Sorry to hijack- but I also hear the box brace is due to the lame roller bearings in the box allowing shaft play. I’m adding a brace very soon just to feel better.
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You should really check your control arms for play. When the whole system is worn out generally it just feels soft all around as DW doesnít show up. Replace a few items with new and it goes crazy with DW, I think youíre in the right direction but likely need new upper and lower control arms. I went through the exact same process but also decided to replace the box (oem) and steering shaft (borgeson) while I was at it. I also added 10ply new tires and then I could really feel the control arms moving- I could move them with a flathead side to side and that was 120k miles.

Sorry to hijack- but I also hear the box brace is due to the lame roller bearings in the box allowing shaft play. Iím adding a brace very soon just to feel better.
It feels better as far as steering input but it wanders like crazy. I get DW at weird times like in a long sweeper curve that is rough. It's not super bad like I have to pull over but it's enough to make me go "wth was that?!" before I realize what's happening. I couldn't drive it over 50mph until I put the new stabilizer on. It's been a frustrating ordeal. The truck drove fine before but I could feel some slop in the front end which is why I changed everything. I will into those control arm bushings
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did you lift too? with my BDS lift you can't get enough caster in it to meet factory spec and the steering return to center has been compromised some...more annoying than anything
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