2nd gen for 4600 class? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum
 
Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum  

Go Back   Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum > Brand Specific Tech > Dodge
Notices

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-18-2019, 08:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Member # 769833
Posts: 37
2nd gen for 4600 class?

After thinking about building something to race in KOH I've almost fully decided to try to build a 4600 class truck.

I'm thinking of using a 2nd gen 1500 probably a 97 to 01. Running either the 5.2 or 5.9, auto, a Dana 44/60 hybrid, and a shaved 14 bolt. Planning on either 4.11 or 4.56 gears and arb front and rear. Also throwing around the idea of using a ecobox np 205 to have a fairly low gear when in the rock sections.

Trying to brainstorm it out I'm limited to 35s and coil front and leaf rear. My thought is to use progressive coils with long arms front and atlas springs with slider boxes rear.

*Any advise/criticism of my thought process is appreciated. And if this idea is just flat out stupid I apologize.
Lil_Chop19922 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-18-2019, 09:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Member # 17632
Location: West Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,268
You'd probably get better/more advise in the desert section. There's never any go-fast talk in here.
Travis..
__________________
'18 Ram 2500 4x4 Big C and a 6 speed
FOR SALE '15 Ram 2500 4x4 cummins 6 speed manual trans
crashnzuk is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Old 03-18-2019, 09:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Member # 769833
Posts: 37
Yeah truthfully was hoping someone would have a little advise as all that's around me is mud... also if even using a 2nd gen would be advisable. Mainly looking to see if anyone ever considered this and if so why they chose not to do it.
Lil_Chop19922 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-18-2019, 11:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Member # 17632
Location: West Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,268
Is anyone racing full size trucks in 4600, or is it mostly mid-sized SUVs? I don't see why the truck wouldn't work, as long as you get the suspension dialed in. Again, aside from it's girth.
Travis..
__________________
'18 Ram 2500 4x4 Big C and a 6 speed
FOR SALE '15 Ram 2500 4x4 cummins 6 speed manual trans
crashnzuk is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-18-2019, 12:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Member # 769833
Posts: 37
Honestly I have no clue. My thought process is that factory v8, decent suspension (when long armed and decent coils), and fairly cheap to get one.
Lil_Chop19922 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-18-2019, 12:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
Registered User
 
YotaAtieToo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Member # 25632
Location: Magalia, Jefferson State
Posts: 11,228
I think the big issue is you're limited to 35s. When is the last time you saw a full size wheeler with 35s?

I would be looking at a ZJ with the same engine. You're scraping the tcase and axles anyway. Then you have 4 link/coils front and rear.
YotaAtieToo is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-18-2019, 12:57 PM   #7 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Member # 769833
Posts: 37
Because quite honestly hadn't even thought about a zj. Also not a big fan of the unibody.

Last edited by Lil_Chop19922; 03-18-2019 at 12:59 PM.
Lil_Chop19922 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-18-2019, 01:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Member # 17632
Location: West Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,268
The 94-up trucks are as good as anything so I don't see why it wouldn't work ok. BUT, if you want to be competitive you might see what type of rig works in the class/rule structure given the dimensions and wheelbase, etc. It might suck, it might be magic. If you do go with it, I'd be very conscious of weight. Don't over-build everything and don't add anything that isn't necessary. I'd personally love to see a Dodge running in a current race series.
Travis..
__________________
'18 Ram 2500 4x4 Big C and a 6 speed
FOR SALE '15 Ram 2500 4x4 cummins 6 speed manual trans

Last edited by crashnzuk; 03-18-2019 at 01:16 PM.
crashnzuk is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-18-2019, 01:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Member # 769833
Posts: 37
I've been thinking that within the rule structure jeep tjs seem to be one of the top picks. Weight is a big concern and something I'm trying to figure the best way to drop at many lbs as possible within the rules. Biggest concern is lack of weight in the rear but between spare tire and fuel cell I'm hoping to offset as much of that as possible. Between completely gutting interior, removal of all HVAC, and glass I'm hoping to be under 3800lbs. So that's roughly 600lbs to play with for cage and armor and not have to use 2" for the village therefore saving some weight.

Last edited by Lil_Chop19922; 03-18-2019 at 01:47 PM.
Lil_Chop19922 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-19-2019, 10:55 AM   #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Member # 17632
Location: West Sacramento, CA
Posts: 8,268
I can see why you wouldn't want to use a TJ. the 4.0 is gutless and TJs bring stupid money, at least in my area.
Travis..
__________________
'18 Ram 2500 4x4 Big C and a 6 speed
FOR SALE '15 Ram 2500 4x4 cummins 6 speed manual trans
crashnzuk is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-19-2019, 12:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Member # 769833
Posts: 37
And truthfully i think the ticket to winning is the alot to do with the driver. Yes, the vehicle matters but I believe that a great car with a horrible driver won't do as well as a great driver with a good car. A 80s toyota with leafs all around won. Now he has diamond 9.5 diffs and has been racing KOH for years.

I just have the belief that a well setup 2nd gen would be a force to be reckoned with. If I do build one my plan is to build with tunable shocks and race some East series races to get used to the truck and let myself and co driver become familiar with 4acing and what the t4uck. Is capable of.
Lil_Chop19922 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

** A VERIFICATION EMAIL IS SENT TO THIS ADDRESS TO COMPLETE REGISTRATION!! **

Email Address:
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Should I or shouldn't I...DISH class action suit Rooney77 General Chit-Chat 21 04-02-2014 04:26 PM
Front axle 2nd gen / 3rd gen interchangeability question... oneofthefewbmx Dodge 7 10-11-2013 02:18 AM
Another Annoying 2nd Gen Rodeo 44 issue djljeep Isuzu 8 07-30-2012 05:21 PM
Another Annoying 2nd Gen Rodeo 44 issue djljeep General 4x4 Discussion 4 07-15-2012 05:44 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.