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Old 08-17-2016, 11:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ring gear bolts backing out after using red locktite

Running a 9" w/ARB

Story is, new ring gear w/ARB. Used red locktite and the ring gear bolts eventually backed out. Local buddy had the same issue. Heat cycles must be causing this but to prevent this can one find pre-drilled safety wire bolts somewhere and or a bendable metal tab (All Seasons supposedly makes them?) that would lock two bolts together to keep the bolts from backing out?

thanks-yes, the threaded holes were properly cleaned, yes, the loctite was new, yes the bolts were torqued correctly... 3rd different ring gear with ARB that this has happened to btw myself and one buddy.

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Check the race forum, this has been a common issue with high hp ultra trucks and 9".

Ive put literaly thousands of dd ring gears on with red lock tight and never had an issue.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the tip. I searched for 1/2 hour "all" over Pirate but not that forum....

I used new bolts, new ring gear, cleaned the *&#%)&( off of both before install...more diff guys I've talked to the more I find out this is more common than anyone thought

Ever used "Izzy" locks?
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Make sure your prep is good too. Bolt and hole both antiseptically clean and dry. Brake clean and compressed air.

Turn your bolts into wirable bolts....

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Lockwire will keep a bolt from falling out of a hole, it won't keep it torqued. If all your bolts loosen up bad things will happen even if they're lockwired in place.

I'd try a high temp Loctite, maybe #272 (450F) or #2620 (Rated to 650F) vs normal Red Loctite #263 (360F)

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Old 08-18-2016, 10:38 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Why not throw a lockwasher on the bolts?

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Lockwire will keep a bolt from falling out of a hole, it won't keep it torqued. If all your bolts loosen up bad things will happen even if they're lockwired in place.

I'd try a high temp Loctite, maybe #272 (450F) or #2620 (Rated to 650F) vs normal Red Loctite #263 (360F)

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True, it may not keep them torqued, but it will keep them tight when properly executed in the backwards "S" pattern. I work on heavy lift helicopters brother where major vibrations and stresses occur constantly. Safety wire or lockwire holds our rotor heads together just fine. you gotta do it right.
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blast em on there and tack weld them in place

edit: if it's an iron carrier, weld in whatever shit's at hand between bolts to tie them together

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Step up to grey Loctite?

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Are you sure you're using the correct Lok-Tite for your bolt size and are you using anaerobic primer? I find the primer makes a huge difference.
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Running a 9" w/ARB

Story is, new ring gear w/ARB. Used red locktite and the ring gear bolts eventually backed out. Local buddy had the same issue. Heat cycles must be causing this but to prevent this can one find pre-drilled safety wire bolts somewhere and or a bendable metal tab (All Seasons supposedly makes them?) that would lock two bolts together to keep the bolts from backing out?

thanks-yes, the threaded holes were properly cleaned, yes, the loctite was new, yes the bolts were torqued correctly... 3rd different ring gear with ARB that this has happened to btw myself and one buddy.

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What are you torquing them to?

I ask because I know there are conflicting resources out there for torque specs on Ford axles.
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Are you sure you're using the correct Lok-Tite for your bolt size and are you using anaerobic primer? I find the primer makes a huge difference.


Primer/activator. Makes a huge difference.
Also may try the 290 (green)
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Wayne israeleson (zukizzy) makes(made?) a solution for the ultra 4 cars. I am not sure if he still sells stuff. Pm mobil1syn or Wayne for help.
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Wayne israeleson (zukizzy) makes(made?) a solution for the ultra 4 cars. I am not sure if he still sells stuff. Pm mobil1syn or Wayne for help.
No good w ARB, unless he has newer ones:

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/axles...ear-bolts.html

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Thanks for the tips...I just got back from picking up my replacement ARB and they asked are you using red locktite and I said yes.... they looked like this was the first time it had ever happened.

I will check out the other types of locktite suggested above.

Bolts were new, cleaned, dried, used red locktite...75#'s torque. Read the post on the woes of the 9" posted above and I might be having the issue with the locktite setting up before fininshing the torque sequence.... I'll check this out further

Thanks for the help

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Safety wire, tack or Nord Locks maybe...
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Step up to grey Loctite?

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Thanks for the tips...I just got back from picking up my replacement ARB and they asked are you using red locktite and I said yes.... they looked like this was the first time it had ever happened.

I will check out the other types of locktite suggested above.

Bolts were new, cleaned, dried, used red locktite...75#'s torque. Read the post on the woes of the 9" posted above and I might be having the issue with the locktite setting up before fininshing the torque sequence.... I'll check this out further

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with spools and mini spools i have noticed issues with big tires and 4x4 activity. open or ls and detroits seem trouble free by comparison.


on circle cars we weld key stock from bolt to bolt on trouble cars like already mentioned..

on the bronco i have wiped out 3 carriers....starting to hate them. so i am not sure if i should go with a regular locker or a rear 60.
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aren't they only like 3/8-24 or some shit?


Find a friend with a CNC that'll threadmill, hog them fuckers on out to 1/2-20
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Looks like you could chop Izzy's things in half, brace the stub against the carrier pocket, and they would work. As long as you put them against the correct shoulder...

Or there's these for Toyota (which also wouldn't fit ARB):
bolt retainer plate, ring gear [YSPBLT-032] - $2.73 : Locktup Fabrication, Hardcore Offroad Parts & Accessories

Fastener Data - Tab Washer - WASHERS - DIMENSIONS - Fastener Specifications

"Tab washer" is the term...
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I am not sure you cleaned enough... I have never seen a 'dust free' environment in the Yakima valley ...

The Nord locks are an interesting alternative.... I would really think those and the high temp locktite would make a great combination.

Did you use the primer with the red locktite?

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What did you decide? Any feedback on you decisions?
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