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Old 02-10-2018, 09:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ford 460 Rebuild/Rebuilt/Crate?

So pretty sure within the next year I will be replacing the engine on my 1987 Econoline 350.
I would like the switch to be as quick as possible.
I know if I rebuild it it's going to be the slowest way of going about it.
So should I get a crate engine, have a shop rebuild it or just but a rebuilt one?
Any recommendations on who to get it from?
Needs to be CA smog legal too.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Pay a shop to build one for you if you are in any way unsure.
Personally, I usually buy a spare motor and rebuild that.
Crate engines have Lord only knows what parts and work in them.
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If you need a fast turn around, avoid a pull/rebuild/reinstall, too many opportunities for things to go to shit
I'd go crate motor from reputable company, or buy a spare, you could buy a core and do a full rebuild, or buy a good runner, or even a whole truck, you should be able to buy a grandpa f250 with 100k for 1200 if you look around enough
More details on the 30yr old van you're dumping time and $into?
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What's your budget?

Scott Johnston in Tacoma has some pretty nice EFI packages available that will blow the stock one out of the water. He's not cheap, but he delivers a good product and knows what he's doing.
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What's your budget?

Scott Johnston in Tacoma has some pretty nice EFI packages available that will blow the stock one out of the water. He's not cheap, but he delivers a good product and knows what he's doing.
+1 for Scott. He really knows how to make a motor do what it ought to.
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Looking to keep it under $2500.
It's running great right now, just planning ahead.
I cracked the bell housing so pulled the tranny and had the guts put into a new (to me) bell housing. Put in a new driveline, yokes, U-joints, starter, dist, plugs, wires, fuel pressure regulator, etc.
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Looking to keep it under $2500.
It's running great right now, just planning ahead.
I cracked the bell housing so pulled the tranny and had the guts put into a new (to me) bell housing. Put in a new driveline, yokes, U-joints, starter, dist, plugs, wires, fuel pressure regulator, etc.
here's a couple of pics of the rig in question.

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Now this makes more sense. I was envisioning a beat up 87 panel van. Digging the 4x4 class C motorhome!
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:53 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I wouldn't freshen it up just to do it, I'd build a better engine, or pull it and reseal it and slam in cam and headers, etc, but I wouldn't let an average "mechanic" into a good running factory engine.

Some efi and bolt ons would be nice
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Ha! Same thing I was thinking, who puts another motor in a Van...
But now I see.
I am a huge Ford fan, but I don't like the 460, I've own stock and built ones and they never made the power they should.

If you're held onto the 460 idea, I'd at least get 1996 460 from a junk that is EFI and mass air. It's a smog legal swap.
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I am a huge Ford fan, but I don't like the 460, I've own stock and built ones and they never made the power they should.
I don't even see how that's possible. 1 hp per cubic inch is like the baseline for performance on these things with the right compression, cam, and barely any port work.

It's like a 302, but bigger, stronger and better....
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I don't even see how that's possible. 1 hp per cubic inch is like the baseline for performance on these things with the right compression, cam, and barely any port work.

It's like a 302, but bigger, stronger and better....
Stock they were 200-220 HP, emissions are a killer.
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Stock they were 200-220 HP, emissions are a killer.

What I was referring to, is that he also said "built" ones. If he wasn't impressed with it, I wouldn't call it built. I'd call it stock compression with an RV cam. While not much better than stock, is also a hell of a lot more grunt than any small block.

I invite him to read a little more about what people are doing with these engines nowadays. Even without fancy aluminum heads and stroker cranks. It's not 1983 anymore, there's over 30 different aftermarket heads for them and years of proven builds that are actually relatively affordable compared to the competition, if not cheaper in many cases.
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Old 02-14-2018, 05:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Thanks everyone.
I will definitely be doing my homework.
Who knows, I might be able to wait a couple of years or so........maybe by then I'll be ready to look into diesel.
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Since you mentioned it, I'm not a gas v8 hater, but if you compare the expense of building a gas engine "right" compared to pulling a solid 200k mile cummins from a rusty farm truck, the diesel makes sense imo. My old boss put one in his ford class c, and a 4wd conversion at the same time, he's pretty happy with his, emivil put one in his class c, it fits.

I've built some cummins ford trucks, and will be building a e350 at some point.

I strongly suggest buying the correct parts truck and utilizing the engine/trans/tcase, sell leftovers, makes for the best and cheapest build IMO.

If you go that direction, make a thread, maybe I can get some pics of his x member and stuff
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These 460ís were dogs from the factory. Ford put a timing chain set on that kills performance and the pistons donít come near the top of the cylinders. Just putting a new timing chain on is a big improvement.

Plan on most of the exhaust manifold bolts breaking when you try to remove them. I have done a few repair jobs on 80ís ford motor homes.
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These 460ís were dogs from the factory. Ford put a timing chain set on that kills performance and the pistons donít come near the top of the cylinders. Just putting a new timing chain on is a big improvement.

Plan on most of the exhaust manifold bolts breaking when you try to remove them. I have done a few repair jobs on 80ís ford motor homes.
Replaced one exhaust manifold already and was lucky that no bolts broke.
Had 3 break on the water pump...that was fun.
New timing gear and chain did make a big difference.
Compression check today yielded between 110 the lowest and 120 the highest.
I was happy with that.
Used some MMO to quiet down one lifter. So far so good.
One rattling noise I think I found today, believe it or not, was the top half of the transmission dipstick rattling. Wondering if putting some sort of dampener where it bolts to the engine will fix that?
The fuel pressure regulator made a world of difference.
I'm happy with how it's running right now, but realistically it's a 31 year old engine moving a lot of weight. It's only a matter of time.
The biggest PITA is it will have to be CA smog legal. Will definitely do my research on diesel before I take the plunge.
For now I'll just dump gas into it and have fun.
But better to be prepared than to be totally caught off guard.
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These 460ís were dogs from the factory. Ford put a timing chain set on that kills performance and the pistons donít come near the top of the cylinders. Just putting a new timing chain on is a big improvement.

Plan on most of the exhaust manifold bolts breaking when you try to remove them. I have done a few repair jobs on 80ís ford motor homes.
87 and up have the straight up timing chain. Most factory engines from any make are somewhat in the hole but there are piston differences from early 80s, to late 80s, to post 1993. Ultimately, new pistons, some RPM rods (can be cheaper than resizing) and a cylinder hone or overbore should be done on a rebuild. If money allows, a zero deck is rarely a ton more money than a simple square up like most machine shops perform. Just depends on the block.

The 87 EFI heads are not as good as the 1993 heads. It really, really depends on how much power you think you need, but with the right cam an EFI build can put out good torque and a solid 350 hp. Stock fuel system runs out as you approach 400.
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I love the 460 in my Bronco. I've driven them with a 302, 351, 357, and a 408 stroker. Hands down I would choose a 460 again. Forget HP....its useless in these pigs.
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Forget HP....its useless in these pigs.

I agree. Even stock the efi 460 does 400 ft.lb torque @ 2100 rpm (or thereabouts).
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