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Old 07-30-2019, 02:33 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Getting short block put together. slowly.
Trans is going even slower, need decision on it before selling 390 in the truck. Wish things were moving faster but I only have so much time anyhow.
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Got trans back from builder. The drums I was able to get online were re-cut with an additional snap ring grooves, and only one usable. He was able to get 5 clutches in both forward and direct drums. Shift kit in stock VB.

Trying to decide on converter. He and Hughes recommended a towing type at stock stall (1600-1800) like the XTM. Engine guy recommends a higher stall around 2000-2200.
I could see the higher stall being more fun on the street, but worry about heat. Leaning towards the XTM. Open to suggestions...

After measuring deck height on motor, I have found that all the rods are bent a little, as the pistons are angled in relation to the deck by 0.002-0.008". The machine shop supposedly checked them, but doesn't straighten them so they are what they are. Either have to run as is or get another whole set installed elsewhere, but assembly is already balanced... What would pirate do??

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Got the 390/c6 sold on CL in 2 days for $1000. Listed it in truck running/driving, had it out on the ground later that day. Disassembled the front clip as I will go though it and paint & such.


Next step is to de-grease/pressure wash frame. Then put on lift to remove exhaust, drive-line, fuel system and so on.
Thinking I will leave cab on until motor mounts are built. Not exactly sure the process but I'm sure I will do it the hard way.
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Didn't get any feedback on tires but it's clear here on pirate that Thornbirds are the best tire I can get. I don't see any sizes for 24" wheel. Now I don't know what to do..


I got about 20 of the 47 years of filth off the frame. Some of it just laughed at my 'lil pressure washer. Going to have to scrape off the top 1/4" and go another round with oven cleaner and the PW.

I've convinced myself that I don't know which route to take exactly on this project. I was going to do motor placement 1st but contemplating the suspension so I can get it rolling/mobile to get it on/off the lift as needed. I ordered some sleeved bushings from Ruff stuff to fab motor mounts and trans x-member

Almost seems to make sense to do rear first so the frame height is high enough to mock up front axle. So it got me thinking about the rear. I want to do Cheby 63s but considering a shackle flip and blocks on existing springs as an intermediate and quick step. I have 4" blocks and u bolts from the 10.25 so could do it cheap and easy. Should be able to get about 6-7" total.

Ported cylinder heads showed up today from PPAM. Need to decided on con rod issue to get motor buttoned up and ready for mock-up in chassis.
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Didn't get any feedback on tires but it's clear here on pirate that Thornbirds are the best tire I can get. I don't see any sizes for 24" wheel. Now I don't know what to do..


I got about 20 of the 47 years of filth off the frame. Some of it just laughed at my 'lil pressure washer. Going to have to scrape off the top 1/4" and go another round with oven cleaner and the PW.
I like what you have done here

Clean build.
I am undergoing similar build...1ton 3+3 2WD / 4WD conversion now.
Take your time and do it one time...
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I like what you have done here

Clean build.
I am undergoing similar build...1ton 3+3 2WD / 4WD conversion now.
Take your time and do it one time...
Thanks.
Got a link to your build?

As much as I want it to be drivable soon, I remind myself the point is to enjoy the build process.
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I had missed you asking about tires. The patagonia's seem to be a really good tire just going off other people reviews on them, wear good, not super noisy, no death wobble, balance easy, not out of round, do good in a mix of trail terrain but not the end all mud tire........missing something here oh yeah, cheap.
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I'd probably spray the whole thing down with diesel fuel, or a 50/50 mix of atf and paint thinner, let it sit in the sun for 3 days then take to the carwash with a roll of quarters.


I just bought a set of Patagonia's, for the above mentioned reasons, they aren't here yet, but I'll let you know how they look
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I had missed you asking about tires. The patagonia's seem to be a really good tire just going off other people reviews on them, wear good, not super noisy, no death wobble, balance easy, not out of round, do good in a mix of trail terrain but not the end all mud tire........missing something here oh yeah, cheap.
Leaning towards slot mag wheels so might have to go cheaper on the rubber...

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I'd probably spray the whole thing down with diesel fuel, or a 50/50 mix of atf and paint thinner, let it sit in the sun for 3 days then take to the carwash with a roll of quarters.

I just bought a set of Patagonia's, for the above mentioned reasons, they aren't here yet, but I'll let you know how they look
I went rounds with scraper and oven cleaner and have it mostly cleaned up.
Let me know how the rubber turns out, interested.
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I racked the truck and removed the exhaust, fuel tank, driveshaft and what not. Then used the lift to remove the complete cab.
No rust or broken bolts, everything just came apart with the usual number of beers. Sometimes I think about feeling sorry for those who choose to live in a soggy wet climate where everything rusts, making working on old rusty shit a pain in the ass. But I usually don't because I left that type of place long ago


I put some casters on a pallet to move the heavy bastard around. Wouldn't fit though my gate into back yard, so the cab will have to live on the dolly in the shop. That said the bed is likely going to stay on the truck for now, and I'll decide later if or when it needs to come off. The bed makes a nice place to store all the parts.
My dogs still want to go for a ride in the cab, not understanding that it's missing the rest of the truck.


I can easily roll it around, so pushed it out and did multiple rounds of spray-scrap-and-blast to contaminate my driveway.


I then removed the fuel lines, brake lines and cross member and did another cleaning session. Balls deep in it now, what can go wrong?
Engineering analysis paralysis then set in and I stared at it for a long time pondering cross member construction techniques, materials and order of events. Beers were drank, but no progress made, unless drinking beer is progress.
I can estimate the location of critical stuff, but I think motor/tranny need to go in for mock-up using existing trans mount to keep trans were it was. If only motor was done.
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Painted and oiled my D3 cylinder heads. Built and ported by the mad porter himself with springs set up for 550 lift HFT cam.
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You thinking like old school slot mags or the new AR969 style? I always liked the slot mags and have something like 5 sets laying around in various lug patterns\diameters but no 8x6.5 like my truck will need. I had planned on trying to hunt down a set of the old 16.5x9.75 or 12" but thought about just putting the money (once I actually have some) into new 17" ar969's since 16.5 tires are bit harder to reliably find.
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Was thinking US mags Indy, as the AR969 is only available in 8.5" wide in 17 diameter. And I'm not a fan of black wheels or fake beadlock bolt heads.
The US mag indy can be had in a 10" width, clean lip.
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thank you for posting this, awesome build.

Some of the pics arent working, I particularly wanted to see scotts heads, have a link or something?
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thank you for posting this, awesome build.

Some of the pics arent working, I particularly wanted to see scotts heads, have a link or something?
Thanks. The head pic should be present now. I bought access to his instructions, but looking at the completed job I wouldn't have quite ended up there. Can't really see what was done to the bowl with valve installed, which is where it would be difficult to do a nice job, i think. As much as I would have liked to port them myself, I have only so much time and energy to worry about fucking shit up. I've got plenty of other road blocks to deal with right now.
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Thanks. The head pic should be present now. I bought access to his instructions, but looking at the completed job I wouldn't have quite ended up there. Can't really see what was done to the bowl with valve installed, which is where it would be difficult to do a nice job, i think. As much as I would have liked to port them myself, I have only so much time and energy to worry about fucking shit up. I've got plenty of other road blocks to deal with right now.
I heard that shit, ive got his instructions printed out, and a spare set of heads to practice on ive spent a few hours with. Trying to find the time to get it done, interested to see a real life image of the finished product. Thx again


What grind cam are you going with? One of scotts split duration voodo grind under 550 lift? Keeping stamped steel rockers?
What is plan for headers etc?
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I heard that shit, ive got his instructions printed out, and a spare set of heads to practice on ive spent a few hours with. Trying to find the time to get it done, interested to see a real life image of the finished product. Thx again

What grind cam are you going with? One of scotts split duration voodo grind under 550 lift? Keeping stamped steel rockers?
What is plan for headers etc?
Yes the cam is a custom high split (ground by Delta) spec'd at 213/227. The actual lobe measured is 216/227 @0.050 w/ .520/.549 lift. Using stamped rockers with high quality custom length pushrods. Plan to use L&L fenderwell exit headers 1.75 primary.

I am basically copying his regular fuel tow package that is detailed on the PPAM 'book of faces' page. That example made [email protected]/[email protected] on 87.
-CP 612 piston decked to 0.002 for 9.25:1 SCR (90-91 cc chamber)
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That should be an awesome driving experience. What is plan for induction?

I plan to use similar grind, have some C9 heads i bought with guideplates and screw in studs already. Came with iron SCJ intake, so im porbably going to stick jomar on that and run 800 double pump on street to start with since thats what i have.

I was looking at buying headers from these guys, especially since they about an hour from my house. Home

I have had 3 sets of L&L headers and all of them were awesome, albeit the older nickel coated ones, but the fenderwell exits always had tire rub. One set of chassis i bought in 2003 is still in use today, no noticable rust.
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That should be an awesome driving experience. What is plan for induction?

I plan to use similar grind, have some C9 heads i bought with guideplates and screw in studs already. Came with iron SCJ intake, so im porbably going to stick jomar on that and run 800 double pump on street to start with since thats what i have.

I was looking at buying headers from these guys, especially since they about an hour from my house. Home

I have had 3 sets of L&L headers and all of them were awesome, albeit the older nickel coated ones, but the fenderwell exits always had tire rub. One set of chassis i bought in 2003 is still in use today, no noticable rust.
I plan to use a Holley sniper EFI system. It seems more robust and reliable than the FiTECH for about the same $.

What size tires did you have header rub with? What type of vehicle? Perhaps I should stay away from the fender exit... Hmmm.
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Ended up deciding to replace all the bent old connection rods in the motor. Packed up the piston/rod combo and sent to PPAM to get NOS OEM football rods balanced and installed. Guess I have to run nitrous on it now for best ROI

Ordered a set of radius arm/coilover mounts from ballistic to get going with this project. This allows me to booger weld them to the housing so I can finish the rebuild of the 60 and also mock up the fitment in the frame.
They are the flat bottom type and my math says I *should* have enough clearance at full compression. Plan to get the rest of the stuff from rough stuff including plate coil-over towers.

I think I have decided on how to build the forward cross member, using 2x6 rec tube 0.25 wall. The one under the trans maybe tube, it also needs to provide torsional support and be removable. Just need a better bender...$$
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I plan to use a Holley sniper EFI system. It seems more robust and reliable than the FiTECH for about the same $.

What size tires did you have header rub with? What type of vehicle? Perhaps I should stay away from the fender exit... Hmmm.
79 f150 supercab, and 79 f250 both.
35x12.50 on 16.5x9.75 weld super single 2's would kiss the headers with 4" of lift.

37x13 boggers on 16.5x9.75 eagle 589's rubbed headers like crazy. with 4 and 6 inches of lift

Best thing to do is move the axle forward about 2 inches. I wound up having to do so anyway to clear the body mounts (44's) with about 6" of lift.
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79 f150 supercab, and 79 f250 both.
35x12.50 on 16.5x9.75 weld super single 2's would kiss the headers with 4" of lift.

37x13 boggers on 16.5x9.75 eagle 589's rubbed headers like crazy. with 4 and 6 inches of lift

Best thing to do is move the axle forward about 2 inches. I wound up having to do so anyway to clear the body mounts (44's) with about 6" of lift.
Thanks for the feedback.
I plan to move the axle forward anyhow, about 1.5", and run 40x13.50. Not sure the amount of 'lift' as compared to a 4wd, as I have 2wd. I think lift from 2wd height is like 12-15".
Do you think this combo would allow fenderwell exit headers given your experience?

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really like this build and where you are going with it

but im trying to figure out how you keep your shop so damn clean. like you pulled the motor and not a drop of anything on the floor
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really like this build and where you are going with it

but im trying to figure out how you keep your shop so damn clean. like you pulled the motor and not a drop of anything on the floor
Thanks, I've been stealing ideas from your build. Like were you are going with the 'slick cab!

Like many things in life, there are pros and cons. In this case my metal state, OCD, whatever you want to call it. The floor is clean, but the project takes 5x as long as I contemplate, fail to commit, clean stuff, stare at it and just drink beer and so on.
I did spill coolant on the floor multiple times, then dump a quart of trans fluid all over the new owner's truck and my driveway loading it up. So the same shit happens to me I just clean it up before the pictures


Finished cleaning most of the frame and put a coat of rattle can on it so I could convince myself I'm moving forward with something. I contemplated filling all the frame holes with welds but refrained. No fancy powdercoat, just spray paint so I can change my mind and move shit around as I fawk things up.
Decided on location to work on frame and pulled the front suspension off. Next step is to remove the 2wd crossmember and towers, and finish cleaning the frame. Note the shiny new paint on the HF jackstands, as I can't stand HF orange. Another reason project will take forever.


I do hate having grease+dirt balls all over the floor, as they stick to my shoes and get into the house. Plus my dogs like to wrestle on the floor when hanging out and 'helping' me in the shop. Their combined help isn't useful in any way, but we have a good time.
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I understand the ocd for sure, but your better at it than me. Ha Ha

I think you should be fine with fender wells just based off what i see. I have some pictures of the trucks(circa 2000-2003), but nothing showing the headers in the pictures, your tire looks far enough forward that you will be fine.
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