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Old 04-16-2012, 10:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How to keep a 22r alive under no oil pressure situatoins?

Converted my 22r to propane. I like to push thing to the limit. Was at Moon Rocks recently and realized that on propane my truck will, obviously, run at any angle. On the steep inclines that have to be worked, I noticed my valve train clattering and my oil pressure reading 0. On the carburater I've already killed one engine and my fear is that I am going to really eat up engines now that they will stay running.


What can I do to prolong my engines life??

Synthetic?
Higher viscocity?

Sorry I don't have money for a dry sump, so don't mention it
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like you need to add some baffling to the oil pan to try and keep the oil pickup tube submersed at extreme operating angles.
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How tired is your motor? I ran synthetic in mine with Lucas and ran it until it was sucking oil through the pcv on several occasions, but ultimately turned it off within 10 seconds of seeing no oil pressure (22r stroker, not worth burning up a $5k engine) I never heard valve train chatter
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dry sump.
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Converted my 22r to propane. I like to push thing to the limit. Was at Moon Rocks recently and realized that on propane my truck will, obviously, run at any angle. On the steep inclines that have to be worked, I noticed my valve train clattering and my oil pressure reading 0. On the carburater I've already killed one engine and my fear is that I am going to really eat up engines now that they will stay running.


What can I do to prolong my engines life??

Synthetic?
Higher viscocity?

Sorry I don't have money for a dry sump, so don't mention it
Accumulator.

Search any ls engine oil thread. The answer you seeks is the same you will find there.

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How tired is your motor? I ran synthetic in mine with Lucas and ran it until it was sucking oil through the pcv on several occasions, but ultimately turned it off within 10 seconds of seeing no oil pressure (22r stroker, not worth burning up a $5k engine) I never heard valve train chatter
I'm going to say that it's pretty tired. I'm running my first replacement engine, it came from a 2wd that had been sitting for a couple of year and no I never changed the oil or filter. Maybe that has something to do with it?
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I ran the fuck out of my 22re for years and paid no attention to the oil pressure gauge. There's no lifters in the valve train so I'm pretty sure that's not what you're hearing. Maybe you're motor is just whooped.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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But every time I'm at moonrocks my stock oil pressure light comes on haha. Run it
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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over fill the oil , I run extra , solved my problem

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Old 04-17-2012, 04:36 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I ran the fuck out of my 22re for years and paid no attention to the oil pressure gauge. There's no lifters in the valve train so I'm pretty sure that's not what you're hearing. Maybe you're motor is just whooped.
The cam chain tensioner uses oil pressure (along with a spring) to keep the chain tight. Your hearing the old worn out timing chain rattle. It can also break the stock plastic giudes, then it makes a lot of noise.
Mine has to run for a while with no oil before it's noisy. BTW I don't run guages. Iwouldn't be looking at them in no oil pressure situations anyway.
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When it starts smoking like crazy that's your 10-second warning

I've been beating on this truck/motor for the past 5 years as shown in the video and it still runs great.

Ary beating on his truck in the washout - YouTube

I don't run an oil pressure gauge and usually only kill it if it's been smoking for a while.
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I ran the fuck out of my 22re for years and paid no attention to the oil pressure gauge. There's no lifters in the valve train so I'm pretty sure that's not what you're hearing. Maybe you're motor is just whooped.
I've smoked out the entire area up there and not lost a motor, once you can't see though all of the smoke, give up.
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Run a diesel truck engine oil.

Rotella/Delvac/etc

They have high ZDDP additives that will give a level of protection even when there is no oil pressure.

I run JAX Maxxum 5w40 (full synthetic diesel engine oil) in my 22REs, never had any engine damage. Even when I finished a race with no oil in the engine.

Not saying that it will save your engine when running zero pressure, but it gives you a little more "buffer"
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I've smoked out the entire area up there and not lost a motor, once you can't see though all of the smoke, give up.
Disconnect the vacuum hose from the valve cover to intake and you won't be putting on smoke shows.
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Do like Jesse said and disconnect that hose. Mine is still hooked up as my warning. Ive beat the damnit out of my old tired 22r for almost 2 years now. It sat for 3 before that and is probably the original motor (85). No oil pressure gauge.

If I take the time to ever build the 20r/22r hybrid I want to put in it I will run an accumulator. Check old race shops and they can be had for cheap, at least here in NC. Silly flat track late model and dirt track rednecks.
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