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Old 12-01-2014, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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17" Double Beadlocks - TR or Raceline

TR will do them with 3.5" backspacing, design is somewhat similar to Hutchinson - they modify the front beadlock ring and add an o-ring.

Raceline starts at 4.5" backspacing, I don't know what it ends up at though after the inner bead is added, 5.5" maybe?

I'm running 3.5" backspacing right now, and I can get there with the Racelines and 1" spacers (not allowing for the inner bead), or run the TR wheels with no spacers.

Guess I'd also need to know where they start, an 8" or 9" wheel.

Looking for opinions / experience. Thanks.
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Curious, why not rock monster wheels?

What bolt pattern/back spacing are you looking for?
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I looked at them, 4.5" backspacing - cast though, not forged. They're an option. 6 lug.

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Considered Stazworks? Or do you want Aluminum? I've always loved Racelines but seems like there have been a lot of broken ones recently. Everyone seems to be jumping ship to TR.

I'd avoid wheel spacers if possible.
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Why doubles? Gluing the inside bead not working?

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Old 12-01-2014, 07:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Never tried gluing, read about it....tired of losing the inner bead at anything below 6 or 7psi. Running 42" Iroks, going to 43" stickies.

Breaking rims and taking out brake lines kinda slows the fun for the day. Just tired of losing the bead when nothing but that happens.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:05 PM   #8 (permalink)
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read this, found it helpful when choosing beadllocks. when I was running racelines I had them machine them to work with the bfg sidewall while running the steel rings. ( Single beadlock not double )

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gener...ck-survey.html

problem is the sidewall thickness and the safey beads on most beadlock wheels cant hold those tires on. red labels worked so well on most wheels cause they are one of the most thin sidewalls/bead lip thickness.

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Old 12-01-2014, 09:18 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Never tried gluing, read about it....tired of losing the inner bead at anything below 6 or 7psi. Running 42" Iroks, going to 43" stickies.

Breaking rims and taking out brake lines kinda slows the fun for the day. Just tired of losing the bead when nothing but that happens.
Scuff inside bead on wheel with scotchbrite. Scuff bead on tire with scothbrite. Clean bead of tire and wheel with acetone. Install tire on beadlock. Use 3m weatherstrip adhesive. Inflate. Done.

If you go this route, make sure you have a wheel that has the safety bead located far enough out for the 43" SX beads. They're pretty thick.

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Old 12-02-2014, 08:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This is turning into more of a mess than I had imagined. Raceline doubles are out, 5.5" to 6" of backspacing. No go.

TR dual beadlock with 3.5" backspacing still an option, B.A.D. wheels look good - internal bead lock on outside bead, well designed inner bead ring and 3.5" back spacing. Down side, not available in 6 on 5.5" until next April.

So, new question comparing the two....TR is 8.5" wide, and the B.A.D. is 10" wide, will 43" sx tires fit ok on either wheel - more concerned about the TR wheel with the narrower width.
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Have you considered a set of Hummer wheels from Trail Worthy? They can set the back spacing where ever you want it. Granted they are not 17's, but they are a true double bead lock.
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This is turning into more of a mess than I had imagined. Raceline doubles are out, 5.5" to 6" of backspacing. No go.

TR dual beadlock with 3.5" backspacing still an option, B.A.D. wheels look good - internal bead lock on outside bead, well designed inner bead ring and 3.5" back spacing. Down side, not available in 6 on 5.5" until next April.

So, new question comparing the two....TR is 8.5" wide, and the B.A.D. is 10" wide, will 43" sx tires fit ok on either wheel - more concerned about the TR wheel with the narrower width.
What wheels are you running now? You may find that a good wheel will hold the inner head without the beadlock.
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Have you considered a set of Hummer wheels from Trail Worthy? They can set the back spacing where ever you want it. Granted they are not 17's, but they are a true double bead lock.
75 lbs. - thought about 'em.
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What wheels are you running now? You may find that a good wheel will hold the inner head without the beadlock.
Currently running Champion beadlocks. 15x9.5", and the inner bead burps or comes off completely at anything less than 9 to 10 psi - that's with 42" bias ply IROKs.

Going to stickies, and don't want to relive the issues, don't want to glue, don't want to duct tape (with all the money we spend, glue and duct tape, really?) I want to run whatever psi I wish without burping or losing the inner bead.
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Why doubles? Gluing the inside bead not working?

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Yes, 17's have a horrible inner rim bead like a 16.5". At low Psi they will burp bad until flat.
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Your problem isn't your wheels it's your iroks. Try the SX on your current wheels and you may not need double bead locks.
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I looked at them, 4.5" backspacing - cast though, not forged. They're an option. 6 lug.
Aside from the backspacing issue, Rock Monsters are suppose to be pretty tough. I spoke to Brent at Trail Tough and he swore by these wheels and were the only wheels he would run on his comp buggies. I'll let you know after mine show up and I put them to the test...they should be here in about a week
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. I'll let you know after mine show up and I put them to the test...they should be here in about a week
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Your problem isn't your wheels it's your iroks. Try the SX on your current wheels and you may not need double bead locks.
Wrong, it is wheel design.
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on my 15" rims a few wraps around the inside bead with gorilla tape solved my inner bead problems, makes the wheel "thicker" so the bead dont come off as easy.

my 17" rims with 43" sx stickies im running weld on beadlocks along with stauns internal beadlocks

both setups work great, the stauns dont work for shit by themselves, tire just spins on the rim and blows the tube had to add an external beadlock to keep the tire from spinning.
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Your problem isn't your wheels it's your iroks. Try the SX on your current wheels and you may not need double bead locks.
Gonna be counter productive to fit a 17" tire on a 15" wheel.
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Your problem isn't your wheels it's your iroks. Try the SX on your current wheels and you may not need double bead locks.
Why are the iroks so bad? They don't seem to have that thick of a sidewall/bead like the other tires people are having problems with. I had 37" iroks on 17 trail ready single bead locks and they sucked! I blew beads like 5 or 6 times one day. Each time adding a little more air but we were snow wheeling and once we got to much I couldn't even drive down the road. I just got the new trep non stickeys and put two raps of tape on them in hopes I don't have to deal with that again.
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Why are the iroks so bad? They don't seem to have that thick of a sidewall/bead like the other tires people are having problems with.
Do you have any proof of this? Or just guessing?
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I don't have calipers with me but putting a tape on them I'd say they are real close to .75" and I thought the ones people were posting in the older thread were closer to 1".
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