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Old 08-24-2015, 09:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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An engineer would say that a linkage with two pin connections cannot carry a side load and all loads will be along the axis between the two joints.
Might as well not use a bearing then. Just use 3 tabs. On engineering paper it works fine.

The bearing of the heim is only captured by the body of the heim on one axis. If it's vertical and trying to control side to side movement then some of the load is being put on the part of the bearing that isn't supported by the body of the heim. The way the OP has it set up is the strongest. Look at trophy truck a arms. Sure they could get more travel if they set the uniball up vertical, but it isn't the strongest way. And depending on bolt size, you can get a whole lot of mis alignment out of a heim, to achieve travel.
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Old 08-24-2015, 09:35 PM   #27 (permalink)
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The design is fine, provided pinion angle change doesn't exceed the travel of the heim. All the links are in push/pull, no side load. The design of a triangulated four link or a track bar eliminates side load. The axle wouldn't locate itself without proper track bar or triangulation without it.
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Old 08-24-2015, 09:48 PM   #28 (permalink)
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All the links are in push/pull, no side load. The design of a triangulated four link or a track bar eliminates side load. The axle wouldn't locate itself without proper track bar or triangulation without it.
Correct... IF the the upper link mounts stay perfectly alligned with the links throughout the entire range of travel.
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Old 08-24-2015, 09:57 PM   #29 (permalink)
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An engineer would say that a linkage with two pin connections cannot carry a side load and all loads will be along the axis between the two joints.
Might as well not use a bearing then. Just use 3 tabs. On engineering paper it works fine.

The bearing of the heim is only captured by the body of the heim on one axis. If it's vertical and trying to control side to side movement then some of the load is being put on the part of the bearing that isn't supported by the body of the heim. The way the OP has it set up is the strongest. Look at trophy truck a arms. Sure they could get more travel if they set the uniball up vertical, but it isn't the strongest way. And depending on bolt size, you can get a whole lot of mis alignment out of a heim, to achieve travel.
"Three tabs" would fuck it all up because it would impart a side load.

It cannot support a side load in any orientation because it is a spherical rod end.

I don't have a trophy truck.
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Old 08-24-2015, 10:12 PM   #30 (permalink)
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yawn....

will you homos go start your own thread so Mike can get on with his build? I have to see what I am going to have to tow off the trail
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You got a facebook build for this thing (to avoid all of the conjecture and BS)?
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:57 PM   #32 (permalink)
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will you homos go start your own thread so Mike can get on with his build? I have to see what I am going to have to tow off the trail
hahah thank you, and thank you in advance for the tow
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:14 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Very nice. Is that steering box mount your own, or a production piece?
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Old 08-26-2015, 07:17 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Nice,
The Geiser Bro's have ran the upper heim's flat on a few of their TT's and they held up just fine.
Does your builder sell the lower rear arms?
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:55 PM   #39 (permalink)
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The Geiser Bro's have ran the upper heim's flat on a few of their TT's and they held up just fine.
Does your builder sell the lower rear arms?


They are built specifically for my Jeep, but if you know what length you need in sure he could build you some. His number is on his website nvfab.com
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I like the steering box mount, any chance your builder might sell that setup ?
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:05 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Nice build, I like the one off parts and the fitment is top notch. PS. I don't care which way you run your heims, Carry on!
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I like the steering box mount, any chance your builder might sell that setup ?

It's up to him, but I don't think he would have a problem cutting some out. His contact info is here:
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I always shake my head when I see a single sheer bolt on a pitman arm with high misalignment spacers.....

EMD has some solutions that are pretty nice.

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How long are those front links? Very nice work
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I always shake my head when I see a single sheer bolt on a pitman arm with high misalignment spacers.....

EMD has some solutions that are pretty nice.

I googled this but didn't find anything. Got a link?

Sorry for the hijack, carry on.
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