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Old 10-15-2015, 06:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Brake calipers What other options do I have?

I am running a semi float six lug rear shaft and am wondering what other options I may have in the floating caliper department.

I figured I would have to go with a chevy 1/2 ton Monte Carlo style floating caliper with a slip on rotor. Is there any other options? The caliper needs to float and the rotor needs to be a slip on. I would like to have a thin rotor if possible.
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm using S-10 blazer front calipers on rear duramax rotors. I believe they will fit 1500 6 lug rear rotors as well.

I think I saw someone today that was using the same calipers on 6 lug GM rotors for toyota lug pattern.

These calipers bias well with 1 ton front stuff. Something I've never felt the larger GM calipers do well.

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New brake lines, no prop valve yet, will plumb once it arrives.




Rear disc conversion. Brackets: Bought on eBay from JToutfitters. Caliper and pads: 97' S-10 Blazer 4x4 fronts. Rotors: 90' Chevy K1500 non-HD hub cut from 3.5" to 4.2".








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On my last rig(12bolt rear) I used front 1/2ton Chevy D44 calipers and rotors with weld on brackets. Worked really well.
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Old 10-15-2015, 09:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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you already bought the JHF knuckle kit just get wilwood spidertrax/tg brake hats and rotors, they squeak even with Q pads but worth the money.

Jesse is selling a kit for your front axle and a weld on bracket can be torch mated out easy enough for the rear.

add two 3/4 wilwood masters with a 8 or 7 to 1 pedal assembly and you are done.
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you already bought the JHF knuckle kit just get wilwood spidertrax/tg brake hats and rotors, they squeak even with Q pads but worth the money.

Jesse is selling a kit for your front axle and a weld on bracket can be torch mated out easy enough for the rear.
To my knowledge Willwood does not make a floating caliper. I will never again use a solid mount caliper on a semi float disc brake axle. The small amount of bearing deflection is enough to push the pads away from the rotor. This leads to a double pump of the brakes before quality pad to rotor contact.
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To my knowledge Willwood does not make a floating caliper. I will never again use a solid mount caliper on a semi float disc brake axle. The small amount of bearing deflection is enough to push the pads away from the rotor. This leads to a double pump of the brakes before quality pad to rotor contact.
2psi wilwood residual pressure valve for the rear may solve that issue possibly
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Build a full floater But I agree, never again a fixed caliper on a semi-float axle again. Tired of pulling the seat out of my cheeks. Residual pressure helped, but didn't 100% fix, just made it more sporadic, which in turn made it that much more scary.

Wilwood does make floating calipers, but I'm not sure of any details beyond that they exist. LINK

I did some research, & wasn't having much luck online other than just run GM calipers. No real reason NOT to run them I suppose, I was just researching. Ended up going full float before I made the change though & just kept a fixed caliper.

Taco rotor should slip right on for you though, & is a thinner rotor.
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What happens when you have a caliper that doesn't clam shell and the pistons fully retract? Piston knock-back is a non issue. Use a residual pressure valve and a GOOD fixed caliper, as someone said. Or just go floating caliper and drag the brakes.
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Adapt OEM fj cruiser/4Runner rear disc

It's a thin rotor
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What happens when you have a caliper that doesn't clam shell and the pistons fully retract? Piston knock-back is a non issue.I guess I dont really understand what you are saying. can you explain? I have ran Toyota front calipers on the rear of a semi float axle and it brought the suck. Even with a residual valve





Use a residual pressure valve and a GOOD fixed caliper, as someone said. Or just go floating caliper and drag the brakes.
I have no problem running a Willwood caliper and thin disc. I dont want to spend that coin though if I just end up with sketchy brakes again. I also have a set of floating GM Monte Carlo calipers on the rear of my other Yota. They work fine and I figured that that was what I was going to be forced to use.

Do you or anyone else have first hand experience with high end calipers, residual valves, and semi float axle shafts?
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To my knowledge Willwood does not make a floating caliper. I will never again use a solid mount caliper on a semi float disc brake axle. The small amount of bearing deflection is enough to push the pads away from the rotor. This leads to a double pump of the brakes before quality pad to rotor contact.
you would be wrong
i am using these upgraded ones.
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Have you ran them yet? Real world feedback? Using the residual valve?

Where did you find them? (Truthfully I haven't really looked stupid hard)

Holy shit a quick google search made me feel dumb.
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Have you ran them yet? Real world feedback? Using the residual valve?

Where did you find them? (Truthfully I haven't really looked stupid hard)
no, no and no :lol:
still building, but talking to wilwood at a local suby show they said they work much better then the stock ones.
I got these from summit racing.
but you can check them out at
Wilwood High-Performance Disc Brakes - Calipers
they have a few different floater setups
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You'll still get pad knock back with a residual valve, even a "drum brake" one...which will drag a little.
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Use explorer brakes and redrill the rotors to 6 lug. Floating caliper, cheap and light weight.
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I called and talked to a condescending semi helpful employee from Wilwood. After our short conversation I think that I am going to take his advise (I may not have been happy with him but he SHOULD know his products I hope) and use a Dynalight caliper. His solution to piston knock back on the fixed caliper was to use a knock back spring.
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I am using rotors and calipers off a hummer H3. It checks all your boxes, Floating caliper, 6 lug, slip on rotor. The bore of the rotor had to be turned a little bigger to fit on my mini truck axle but other than that it was a pretty easy swap. I did a quick Google search and it looks like calipers and rotors are available and pretty cheap.

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Wheel Spacers with the H3 brakes ?
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I am using rotors and calipers off a hummer H3. It checks all your boxes, Floating caliper, 6 lug, slip on rotor. The bore of the rotor had to be turned a little bigger to fit on my mini truck axle but other than that it was a pretty easy swap. I did a quick Google search and it looks like calipers and rotors are available and pretty cheap
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Them H3 brakes look like a pretty good setup. Light too.

Probably gonna try those next go 'round
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Wheel Spacers with the H3 brakes ?
Yes, 2" spacers. Not sure if my 15" rims would clear without them but that is not why I run the spacers. They look like they might clear but it would be close, I am sure a little grinding, possibly only on the tabs on the brake pads backing plates would fix it. 17's would be no problem at all.
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Them H3 brakes look like a pretty good setup. Light too.

Probably gonna try those next go 'round
They work great and they are a pretty easy swap. If you want to put them on an Ifs mini truck rear grab the backing plates too. You can cut the middle of your old backing plate out and weld it into the middle of the h3 backing plate, the offset is perfect.
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Use explorer brakes and redrill the rotors to 6 lug. Floating caliper, cheap and light weight.
How do you do this? Is there a link to this process? AD
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