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Old 09-28-2016, 01:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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weld on misalignment washers?

I'm looking for misalignment weld washers and I know I've seen them on a few builds here, but my google-foo can't dig them up. Anyone know where I can get some? Anyone have any experience with them? I figure a weld misalignment washer kills two birds one stone, but I'm not sure on the amount of misalignment they'll offer versus a misalignment spacer...


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Don't most misalignment spacers also reduce bolt size and seat within the joints?


Not exactly what you're looking for:
http://www.allensfasteners.com/searc...3&txtCatName=2
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Don't most misalignment spacers also reduce bolt size and seat within the joints?


Not exactly what you're looking for:
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They do and the application I'm looking to use them in I definitely don't need to NOT step down in bolt size.

Those look like they'd work, but I'm looking for a 1" ID. That's the other trick....
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They do and the application I'm looking to use them in I definitely don't need to NOT step down in bolt size.

Those look like they'd work, but I'm looking for a 1" ID. That's the other trick....
That's a double redundant statement? Are you meaning to say you do NOT want to step down?

Why not get some thick walled 1" ID tubing and turn a generous chamfer on the inside facing edge?

I don't think I've ever seen any 1" ID misalignment spacers.
Aw, sort of what you're looking for:
https://www.sneveysoffroad.com/misal...off_road_parts
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Old 09-28-2016, 02:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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That's a double redundant statement? Are you meaning to say you do NOT want to step down?

Why not get some thick walled 1" ID tubing and turn a generous chamfer on the inside facing edge?

I don't think I've ever seen any 1" ID misalignment spacers.
Aw, sort of what you're looking for:
https://www.sneveysoffroad.com/misal...off_road_parts
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I wouldn't necessarily benefit from the step down but there isn't a benefit to keeping the 1" diameter bolt by not stepping down. I have hardware in both 3/4" and 1" sizes.

I have 1" ID tubing, I just don't have ready access to a lathe anymore. I'd like to buy a set to bolt to a joint to verify range of movement between that and a spacer that steps down to 3/4". If the compromise is small then I'll just go that route.
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I wouldn't necessarily benefit from the step down but there isn't a benefit to keeping the 1" diameter bolt by not stepping down. I have hardware in both 3/4" and 1" sizes.

I have 1" ID tubing, I just don't have ready access to a lathe anymore. I'd like to buy a set to bolt to a joint to verify range of movement between that and a spacer that steps down to 3/4". If the compromise is small then I'll just go that route.
Belt sander? Angle grinder? Spacer and bolt through the tubing and chuck it up in the drill press, remove material with material removal device?

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I've seen people weld safety washers on as misalignment washers.


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I looked everywhere on their website and didn't see any.
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I drew some up and wanted to go that route but couldn't get any interest from suppliers or someone with a lathe.

you lose ALOT of misalignment not reducing the bolt size. Jesse Haines uses spacers all the time and seems to get away with it just fine.
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I've seen people weld safety washers on as misalignment washers.


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I Googled "misalignment spacer" and Ruffstuff was the first item on the list.
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I Googled "misalignment spacer" and Ruffstuff was the first item on the list.
I'm not looking for a misalignment spacer. Read the thread. Everyone sells misalignment spacers, but no one seems to sell a weld on misalignment washer.
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I drew some up and wanted to go that route but couldn't get any interest from suppliers or someone with a lathe.

you lose ALOT of misalignment not reducing the bolt size. Jesse Haines uses spacers all the time and seems to get away with it just fine.
THAT's where I've seen it done....

91blaze, what size joint and ID did you draw up? Still have those files?



@mudtruck44, can you shed some light on this for me please? Otherwise I can pm/message you.
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I'm not looking for a misalignment spacer. Read the thread. Everyone sells misalignment spacers, but no one seems to sell a weld on misalignment washer.
Everyone sells HIGH missalignment spacers. You're still looking for a spacer, just one that doesnt neck down the bolt.

Like these?

BTF Misalignment Spacer (1") BTF07007 – Blue Torch Fabworks, Inc.
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Everyone sells HIGH missalignment spacers. You're still looking for a spacer, just one that doesnt neck down the bolt.

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BTF Misalignment Spacer (1") BTF07007 – Blue Torch Fabworks, Inc.
Ah, good call on the high part....

That'd be what I'm looking for, yup. I've found SS ones, but not chromo or mild steel ones.

I figured I'd lose some angle to the joint, but if it's a considerable amount, then I'd like to hear how Jesse uses them successfully. Otherwise I suppose I'll just have to use chromo weld washers and high misalignment spacers.
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Everyone sells HIGH missalignment spacers. You're still looking for a spacer, just one that doesnt neck down the bolt.

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BTF Misalignment Spacer (1") BTF07007 – Blue Torch Fabworks, Inc.
Unless he's building the bracketry out of stainless also, he's looking for weldable spacers, from what I can tell.
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Or these.

1.00" Heim Spacers
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Unless he's building the bracketry out of stainless also, he's looking for weldable spacers, from what I can tell.
You can weld stainless to mild steel. Done it more times than I can remember.
It loses the rust free characteristics at the weld, but it still stays.
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You can weld stainless to mild steel. Done it more times than I can remember.
It loses the rust free characteristics at the weld, but it still stays.
What wire and gas? I remember trying years ago and couldn't get it to lay a bead. I could tack it, but that was it.

Those shock spacers you posted up are too thin. I'm looking to keep the width of the bracket to the standard 2 5/8", or 3", in case I get froggy and want to go with whatever.

The BTF ones look like a solid option though. I may buy a set from them and if they work for me I'l see if they'll spin some from mild. Or else I'll just get my own lathe and make them....
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I still have them somewhere
they are for a 1.25 heim and include a weld washer portion on them
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I still have them somewhere
they are for a 1.25 heim and include a weld washer portion on them

Yikes... That may not be worth it then. That looks to have cut misalignment by nearly 1/2....

Slick design though. I may run with that for my trackback
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I think it cuts misalignment to 12 degrees or so EDIT: maybe 18? I'll look soon and let you know
each direction so total 24 degrees.
I had the suspension all set up and it just barely works but you have to get the brackets in the exact right spot and angle

my thoughts were to have all my parts plasma cut and hole quality didn't have to be great with these.

I went with a goatbuilt kit though and didn't need these.

I think that little chamfer got a few extra degrees. I'm not sure how Jesse gets away with dom spacers but he does and does well. Part of it will be shorter shocks. I don't think you need that much articulation as everyone is getting to perform well but I didn't want my joints to be the limiting factor. They would probably self clearance with little to no affect.
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Now you could put a bushing inside the heim only and make these smaller diameter and get alot of misalignment back. If you want to mess with a second piece or convince someone to only drill out the center to 3/4 when manufacturing
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Now you could put a bushing inside the heim only and make these smaller diameter and get alot of misalignment back. If you want to mess with a second piece or convince someone to only drill out the center to 3/4 when manufacturing
I had thought about that too, but for $5 a high misalignment spacer from Ruffstuff I'm not sure it's not worth my time to have someone else make them. I'm looking at getting a lathe, so maybe I'll try a few this winter.
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