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Old 12-27-2018, 04:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3-Point Retractable Harness Belts

Any one use these? Thoughts? Putting a full cage in my jeep and doing the seats also. Sure 5 point is better, but this is still a street driven Jeep. So looking for something better than stock but not as restrictive as a 5 point.

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Old 12-27-2018, 10:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Looks uncomfortable. Sorry, no other input.
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Old 12-27-2018, 11:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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They look awesome to me. I can't drive effectively in a full harness because I can't lean out the door opening to spot the front tires with the harness tight enough to be effective. People with harnesses in trail cars tend to run them much too loose to be effective because of this, or run lap belts only which are close to useless. These provide the freedom of movement of an inertia reel belt but prevent slipping out of the belt sideways and out of an opening.

The big question would be how sensitive the inertia reel is to angles. If they lock constantly on inclines (in the way that factory interia reels lock unpredictably on side angles) that would defeat the purpose.
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Would like to see it with a person in it.



And at least lap belts will keep you in a rig as long as you hold on to the steering wheel or the passenger handle bars.
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Old 12-28-2018, 09:56 AM   #5 (permalink)
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looks like a great concept. agree they will much more comfortable used more often than traditional harnesses. now I'm wishing I hadn't bought their 4 points. ..
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Old 12-28-2018, 10:44 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Keep stock belts for street, use 5 points when wheeling.
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Old 12-28-2018, 02:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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And at least lap belts will keep you in a rig as long as you hold on to the steering wheel or the passenger handle bars.
Sure. This is why we all still have lap belts in road cars. If we could hang on to the steering wheel/grab bars in an accident we wouldn't need seat belts at all.

Lap belts are inadequate for use on or off road. That's why we're having this discussion.
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Old 12-28-2018, 04:00 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Im going to order some and try them out. I want more than stock, but want to be able to move also. I understand 5 point is better, but I would like to be able to move around.

I agree with just about every point brought up here for or against them.
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Old 12-28-2018, 04:04 PM   #9 (permalink)
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dozen pics or more here. guy sitting in one near the bottom. Its worn just like a regular 4 point.

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how tall are you and how much do you weigh?

are you gonna pay for corbeau seats? do you have lots of money to throw around?

Ive had many kinds of racing seats in my mustangs.. and Ive sat on quite a few, as a passenger.. I was gonna change the seats out in my 4x4 with corbeau.. because they have the plus-sized seats for bigger people.. and the holes in the seats (for the seat belts) are higher up on the plus-sized seats..

that being said, lap builts are awful when you are offroading and Ive seen many people get hurt, because of inadequate harnesses.. many vehicles cant tell when you are offroading and bouncing all over, and they dont secure you what so ever.. and those jolts are very dangerous..

I like climbing into a serious vehicle (driver or passenger) and strapping in a 5-point harness that looks name brand.. doncha just hate when you sit in a high performance vehicle as a passenger, and all you get is a lap belt and a simple seat.. while the driver has a recognized brand seat, and a serious 5-point harness.. and your like wait a minute.. and sure enough, your head bounces off the roll cage a couple of times..

Id get something serious for both me and my passenger.. matching seats and restraints.. and I wouldnt go cheap.. if your rock crawling, you can always loosen your harness to stick your head out the window.. and then strap back in before something happens.. you really dont need to be getting jolted around..

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i would rather use a 3 point than those, just my feelings on it.

they look to be as restrictive as a standard 5 or 4 point and if the inertia locks don't lock on angles and readily, then they are fucking' useless and you might as well wear a loose 5 point.

a 3 point is still functional in a rollover and what-not though it allows much greater movement to 'look around'

find the best buckle that you can actuate quickly and easily, get the harness that uses that. unbuckle, get out and look, buckle back up and strap tight, mash skinny pedal and point at things....you will make it or you won't
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if it had a sub belt, and if somehow the "V" around the neck didn't look so uncomfortable, that would make driving while wearing a harness alot more friendly! And there for more likely to actually use the harness? I'm talking recreational driving, not racing.
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I think @usmcdoc14 had some mil take-offs that retracted in his Jeep?
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:22 AM   #14 (permalink)
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If properly installed the V will not be near or riding on your neck, the belts will lay like any other 4-point. It's only there to create a single attachment point. Schroth has had similar belts for years, though I don't recall if they have the upper latch. Corbeau didn't mention one feature of the Schroth though, they design one of the straps the stretch more ( acting somewhat like a 3-point ?), to preventing submarining, which is a problem with standard 4-points.
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accurate or not. I did not go with the 5 point because at slow speed I didn't figure submarining would be an issue.


I did order a couple seats and harnesses a few days ago. So will see how they go.
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how tall are you and how much do you weigh?

are you gonna pay for corbeau seats? do you have lots of money to throw around?

5-9 230lbs. I got enough money to do it right.

I putting a full roll cage in my jeep. I don't wanna weld the stock seat belts back in. Rather just get the seats and harnesses and be done with it from the get go. The jeep is street driven, but only about 1 or 2K miles a year.
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if it had a sub belt, and if somehow the "V" around the neck didn't look so uncomfortable, that would make driving while wearing a harness alot more friendly! And there for more likely to actually use the harness? I'm talking recreational driving, not racing.
The V is behind the seat, not near your neck.

isn't a 4 point better than a stock 3. Sure not a 5, but seems better than 3.
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accurate or not. I did not go with the 5 point because at slow speed I didn't figure submarining would be an issue.


I did order a couple seats and harnesses a few days ago. So will see how they go.
My understanding of the 5th point is to keep the lap belt in place instead of getting pulled up when tightening the shoulder straps. Keeps the lap belt across the hip bones.
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Attached shoulder belts suck to get out of if you are upside down.
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My understanding of the 5th point is to keep the lap belt in place instead of getting pulled up when tightening the shoulder straps. Keeps the lap belt across the hip bones.
Your understanding is correct, though not just when tightening, during the impact too, as both instances will try to lift the lap belt off the iliac crest. 2" lap belts do a better job of staying in place on the iliac crest than 3" also. 3" shoulder harnesses are better than 2" due to surface area (unless you're wearing a HANS).
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The V is behind the seat, not near your neck.

isn't a 4 point better than a stock 3. Sure not a 5, but seems better than 3.
I ran a 4 point in my willys for a short while, I didn't like how the lap belt would raise up towards my ribs when I would slam the brakes to see how things felt. Maybe I didn't have all the belts tight enough. But a 5 point feels much better.
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I got the seats and retractable harnesses. I haven't installed them yet, but did do a test fit with seat on the floor.

Im 230lbs stalky build. The Y portion of the harness it to short, even fully extended, I can only lean forward about 2-3" inches before the Y is pinned against the back of the seat. Funny thing is the retractor is fucking 10' long. I could literally mount it to the back bumper of my 4 door jeep.

I called Crorbea to ask WTF. They basically said that's the way it is.

I fked up and didnt order seats with the submarine port. They say it can be added at home, I have to cut through the seat heater, if I cut a wire its fuked.


So, unless you are really skinny skip these things.

I was willing to give up the 5th attachemtn point for a little comfort, but sure expected more than this.

Oh and because the retractor is so long there is hardly any spring tension on it. You need to pull 5-6' out before it really keeps the shoulder belts tight.


welp, kinda figured i would be here. But sometimes you got to spend the money to actually know.
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Well that sucks - for the sake of more adjustment they're close to being useless when they could have been the ideal solution.
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