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Old 01-11-2019, 02:05 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I see.

Also had a question about housing strength for 3rd member type axles.

so we have concluded Gearworks 3rd now we have the choice of housings.

Tubeworks
Currie
Spider
Trail Gear
Ruff Stuff

I would like 8 on 6.5 with standard brakes and full float 40 spline hubs

Tubeworks builds bad ass housings, but price and delivery would turn me off of them.

Can't really never go wrong with Currie, but I believe they are no better or worse than any other.

Spidertrax is a company you can never go wrong with, they build nice stuff and are good people.

Trail Gear... No

Ruff Stuff makes quality stuff at a fair price and are good people as well.

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What motor, transmission? How much HP? What size tire? How fast do you drive? How hard on parts are you? Racing? Trying to see if I can talk you out of running a backwards gearset.
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if budget isn't much of a concern, i'd go with the company that offers you the best support. as in, answers the phone or calls you back in a reasonable time. gives you up front information about their products and takes the time to walk you through the options so that you can get what you need the first time.

anybody who fails at that before the purchase will only fail at that much worse after the fact.
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What motor, transmission? How much HP? What size tire? How fast do you drive? How hard on parts are you? Racing? Trying to see if I can talk you out of running a backwards gearset.
Typical ls3 th400 atlas 5.0 not into rock bouncing. 39" reds with water.

recreational wheeler 3400lb buggy.

I would say im pretty hard on parts, dont want to wrench or carry spares.
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Tubeworks builds bad ass housings, but price and delivery would turn me off of them.

Can't really never go wrong with Currie, but I believe they are no better or worse than any other.

Spidertrax is a company you can never go wrong with, they build nice stuff and are good people.

Trail Gear... No

Ruff Stuff makes quality stuff at a fair price and are good people as well.

Just my .02
How many housings have you bought from Currie, Ruff Stuff and Trail Gear? I have bought from all and completely disagree with your "experience."
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How many housings have you bought from Currie, Ruff Stuff and Trail Gear? I have bought from all and completely disagree with your "experience."
Care to explain?



BTW.... Not asking to start shit, but I question some of his statements in that post as well.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:17 PM   #32 (permalink)
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fwiw this guy sold his spidertrax housings in favor for curries race housings

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/newb...ouversons.html
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:45 PM   #33 (permalink)
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You're right, just as long as you don't mind having the weakest version of a D70 possible.

I Also think the "Spidertrax and Gearworks will still be in business in 10 years" applies here too....
Curious as to why they are the weakest? I thought they got a lot of praise here.
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What locker are you wanting? ARB, Detroit, spool?
I have seen bent standard Rock jock tubes. They were 1/4 wall, and under a jk, untrussed.
If money ainít a thang, and you donít drive fast, and you have a priority of a high drive shaft clearance, what about some portals. I have no experience with them, but I would do anything before I ran a hp rear axle. Especially on a trail rig. Comp crawler, ok maybe.
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Care to explain?



BTW.... Not asking to start shit, but I question some of his statements in that post as well.
Ruffstuff (~8 yrs ago) 3rd flange arrived in-machined and with nearly 3/16" of warpage. I returned it, they machined it, but the now flat surface was no longer square to the the shaft axis nor centered in the tubes and the mounting studs were at weird angles. Dan personally came and picked it up and gave me cash for it. Ruff stuff then updated all of their methods and inspections. Still a great guy and a good product. I have bought another housing from them that went with a rig before I installed it.

Currie (3 yrs ago and 2nd hand, but a new housing none the less) crooked long side tube, by A LOT. I straightened it myself and moved along as I was not the original purchaser. There were pictures in my build thread.

TG I have bought 3 housings from. All were flawless. I would not consider them "the best," but for my needs I would buy another. Someone always answers the phone and parts are always in stock. Jesse Haines is building with them, I think his reputation speaks for itself.

I was mostly interested in knowing if Mac was passing along personal or not nternet experience?

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Kinda what I thought about TG. Thanks for confirming that for me with first hand experience.


I have future plans involving a JHF chassis and TG housings. Just wanted to make sure the info I had was good before I jumped on a pair of those axle housings.



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What locker are you wanting? ARB, Detroit, spool?
I have seen bent standard Rock jock tubes. They were 1/4 wall, and under a jk, untrussed.
If money ainít a thang, and you donít drive fast, and you have a priority of a high drive shaft clearance, what about some portals. I have no experience with them, but I would do anything before I ran a hp rear axle. Especially on a trail rig. Comp crawler, ok maybe.


spool, i dont drive fast. I have had portals on a different buggy mog9 to be exact. i dont want to change the front axle at all.
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5.0 seems steep for a LS, what gears in the axles?
Are you replacing a rear axle? Or is this a build plan?
Just understand the inherent weakness of the coast side. Every effort of the design of the hypoid gear strength was given to the drive side, the coast side is just what was left over. I forget the maximum torque numbers of the coast side of a hp60 vs the drive side that were calculated in posts made long ago by someone much smarter than me. There was a big difference. That being said, load bolts and 3rd pinion bearings are going to help, but they will not make them as strong as a low pinion. So under your criteria, I would say your only option is the GW.
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5.0 seems steep for a LS, what gears in the axles?
Are you replacing a rear axle? Or is this a build plan?
Just understand the inherent weakness of the coast side. Every effort of the design of the hypoid gear strength was given to the drive side, the coast side is just what was left over. I forget the maximum torque numbers of the coast side of a hp60 vs the drive side that were calculated in posts made long ago by someone much smarter than me. There was a big difference. That being said, load bolts and 3rd pinion bearings are going to help, but they will not make them as strong as a low pinion. So under your criteria, I would say your only option is the GW.

i have 4.56 gears. i made some high clearance style rear links and the driveshaft will be the first to hit.

I was spoiled from a previous rig of mog 9 axles with hp front and low pinion rear. never ever had a issue with clearance. I think with 39" reds at the lowest point of the axle i could still clear a 5 gallon bucket.
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I have a 5.0 atlas and 3.8 which ever the rig goes for axles and gears in axles i can swap them around. They are both setup the exact same just different ratios
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What is the front?
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What is the front?

79 Dana 60 HP with Jana 76 Kit Detroit 35 spline 300m RCV Reid Knuckles, Drive Flanges
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79 Dana 60 HP with Jana 76 Kit Detroit 35 spline 300m RCV Reid Knuckles, Drive Flanges
Sweet!
Heavy in the front with noassatall. Itíll climb like a billy goat. Good luck sancho.
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How many housings have you bought from Currie, Ruff Stuff and Trail Gear? I have bought from all and completely disagree with your "experience."

Currie 10ish
Ruff Stuff 4
Trail gear 6
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Curious as to why they are the weakest? I thought they got a lot of praise here.
Small Pinion Bearings

It's a cool setup, I wasn't bashing them, just has no place in the same conversation as a GW 10" as far as I'm concerned.
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I'd like to hear why you dislike the TG housings? I've build at least six and never had an issue. The Currie unit I built leaking from the welds and was the only unit I had to have straightened. Ruffstuff housings are just stupid big.
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I'd like to hear why you dislike the TG housings? I've build at least six and never had an issue. The Currie unit I built leaking from the welds and was the only unit I had to have straightened. Ruffstuff housings are just stupid big.
admittedly the TG housings I used were pretty early and I just dint feel like the welds and over quality was very good, been a long time since I done one so they could be amazing now.
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I'd like to hear why you dislike the TG housings? I've build at least six and never had an issue. The Currie unit I built leaking from the welds and was the only unit I had to have straightened. Ruffstuff housings are just stupid big.
On the TG housings I would need to run 8 on 6.5 do you know if that can be done?
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It can be done. Ruff Stuff sells press-in/weld-on spindles that you can use 14 bolt hubs. You can have custom 35 spline axles made (Moser Eng, Dutchman Axles ...). Trail Gear housings are very well made.
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On the TG housings I would need to run 8 on 6.5 do you know if that can be done?
Yes, no different than any other bare housing. You can get the TG housing with bearing pockets already welded on. But you'd have to run a unit bearing. But that's not a bad thing.
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