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Old 03-30-2019, 12:41 PM   #51 (permalink)
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What if someone made a killer aluminum housing design with a 271 style chain drive internals? Atlas? TWF? I bet the front output bearing housings could be built eccentric to allow chain tightening.
Milemarker used to make a ChainSaver kit for the 203 that did that.
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No, that would break things. Front and rear tires would be trying to spin at different speeds.

Twin stick will allow you to have 2wd at either end. Front engaged/rear in neutral would be front wheel drive.
I see. I have heard of mud trucks having differnt ratios in the diffs. They have the front turn faster so they have better steering. I don't know how much differnt speeds they would run. I would assume they can't run in four wheel drive except in the slop for breakage reasons.

I can think of some very limited reasons to have front wheel drive only. But I can hardly say that's a major advantage. I could be wrong.
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It's a big advantage for a crawler in tight quarters or when you just need the front to shift over a bit. It's called a front dig and can be used to reposition the front by spinning the front wheels while the rear stays stationary.
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do they even have any rocks in florida?
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do they even have any rocks in florida?
They import them.
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I would not say that is "most basic rock crawling fundamentals". I would say that is an advanced rock crawling feature right along with cutting brakes and rear steer. Many (probably most) people rock crawl without any of those features. (Because they don't have them)

Anyways, I said I was ignorant of driving with the front in high range and the rear in low range. Not, front dig.
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I can think of some very limited reasons to have front wheel drive only. But I can hardly say that's a major advantage. I could be wrong.
I liked the ability to drop down a big ledge. Front in rear out, lock up rear with cutter brakes. Creep over the edge with the front pulling and rear dragging, squats the rear and lets the front still pull.
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I would not say that is "most basic rock crawling fundamentals". I would say that is an advanced rock crawling feature right along with cutting brakes and rear steer. Many (probably most) people rock crawl without any of those features. (Because they don't have them)

Anyways, I said I was ignorant of driving with the front in high range and the rear in low range. Not, front dig.
I would argue most rigs on anything bigger than 37s other than toyotas have and use front dig, I would agree its a basic fundamental. I use it ALL the time.
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I would not say that is "most basic rock crawling fundamentals". I would say that is an advanced rock crawling feature right along with cutting brakes and rear steer. Many (probably most) people rock crawl without any of those features. (Because they don't have them)
I agree 100%. I am not sure how front dig could be considered a "fundamental."

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I would argue most rigs on anything bigger than 37s other than toyotas have and use front dig, I would agree its a basic fundamental. I use it ALL the time.
I guess I didn't get the memo; I have a two rigs with 37"+ tires. I wheel with several guys on tons and 40"+ tires and none of them have front digs either. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen someone perform a front dig in person.

I am not saying it is not a useful feature, or that no one is running rigs capable of performing front digs, but I would say it is a far cry from a "fundamental." As a matter of fact, I have seen more rigs with rear steer than I have seen performing digs.

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I would not say that is "most basic rock crawling fundamentals". I would say that is an advanced rock crawling feature right along with cutting brakes and rear steer. Many (probably most) people rock crawl without any of those features. (Because they don't have them)

Anyways, I said I was ignorant of driving with the front in high range and the rear in low range. Not, front dig.
Relax, I was just giving you shit, hence the

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I agree 100%. I am not sure how front dig could be considered a "fundamental."



I guess I didn't get the memo; I have a two rigs with 37"+ tires. I wheel with several guys on tons and 40"+ tires and none of them have front digs either. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen someone perform a front dig in person.

I am not saying it is not a useful feature, or that no one is running rigs capable of performing front digs, but I would say it is a far cry from a "fundamental." As a matter of fact, I have seen more rigs with rear steer than I have seen performing digs.
Where are you located? I'm guessing not on the west coast. I didn't say it was a fundamental of wheelin. I was talking about rock crawling.

Not saying that people don't rock crawl outside of the west coast, but for the most part technical rock crawling is on the west coast.
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Front digs are very common on the west coast. If you aren’t with Toyota guys you see them all the damn time.
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Where are you located? I'm guessing not on the west coast. I didn't say it was a fundamental of wheelin. I was talking about rock crawling.

Not saying that people don't rock crawl outside of the west coast, but for the most part technical rock crawling is on the west coast.
Not on the coast, but in the southwest

I am in New Mexico and be assured, we have some of the hardest, rockiest, and technical trails of the west. I don't really wheel with the buggy guys, so they are probably a different story, but I can't specifically remember seeing anyone using a front dig on the trail.

New Mexico is one of the poorest states though, and it seems for the most part, the rigs us locals are running are a lot lower buck than what you see in Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and California. Leaf springs and regular coil springs are a very common sight on extreme trails around here as are swampers and junkyard tons.


Edit: The Farmington guys are probably an exception since they've got all that oil money and comp crawling is pretty big up there.

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People use front digs anywhere. Itís a great test of front driveline strength. Iím not sure I would be thrashing a front dig on anything less than a 60 ring gear and 205/atlas.


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I wasn't trying to start a big debate, just giving the guy from floriduh a hard time.
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Front dig is fundamental.

Anyone disagreeing has their head in the sand.
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People use front digs anywhere. Itís a great test of front driveline strength. Iím not sure I would be thrashing a front dig on anything less than a 60 ring gear and 205/atlas
I have seen many done with Dana 44ís and 37ís. Chromoly axles are a must. I have a friend who did them in an ifs Chevy with 37ís (ifs always broke)

People do them with 300ís/205ís/atlas/etc. if itís possible, people will do it.
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Front digs are a pain in the ass




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You can go a hell of a lot of places without doing a front dig.

Knowing what one is is probably more fundamental than actually having and using that capability.
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My solution was a selectable rear locker. Not exactly the same. But can be just as effective if done properly.
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I've front digged plenty of Dana 30's. My old ZJ was even LP30 front. Had the 5.9 and 4.3 atlas. I did a dig in it several times. Even with 4.56's. It really has a lot more to do with being reasonable about the condition. I was alway up hill without a bound front end. I had a selectable rear locker too so typically using the parking brake worked better than a full dig would.
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Front digs are very common on the west coast. If you aren’t with Toyota guys you see them all the damn time.[/QUOTE]

cuz yota guys just drive thru that shit.

Wish I had the capability tho..
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Front dig is fundamental.

Anyone disagreeing has their head in the sand.
Well actually I've done front digs a few times. Got stuck in muddy snow in Canada one time and had to get out and dig up front so I could lay some logs in front of the tires. I always carry a shovel for those occasions. So there!
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Didn't Bobby Long do t case shaft testing along the line of the axle test?
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Front digs are very common on the west coast. If you arenít with Toyota guys you see them all the damn time.
cuz yota guys just drive thru that shit.

Wish I had the capability tho..[/QUOTE]

come follow me and tell me you drive through it
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