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Old 09-04-2019, 08:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Need a shaft for a 104 year old axle...




4x4s weren't really a thing in 1916, so this belongs here

Anyway, broke a shaft in our 1916 GMC dumptruck, its 6ish spline (been awhile since I pulled it apart) on the diff side and tapered with a keyway on the hub side. Parts are impossible to find for these things, so going to have to get something made.

Who should I go with using the limited information provided?
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Old 09-04-2019, 09:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a Mennonite or Amish friend that's made me some one off parts for things. I bet any decent welding or machine shop could make you something.
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Old 09-04-2019, 09:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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6 spline is very easy to do in any machine shop, same with the taper, key and thread on the other end

call around
actually, docsmachine on here is in kenai, seems like something that'd be right up his alley
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It might be crazy, but I'd call a company that specializes in axleshafts--or at least someone really familiar with them.

Moser or Dutchman, or maybe someone like Branik.
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Old 09-04-2019, 09:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Weld it back together?
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Weld it back together?
This. Or find a machine shop where there isnt any cnc machines and they will handle it.
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All good points, except maybe weld it back together since it literally broke driving onto a trailer

I have a lathe and mills at the house and the family business is a big fabrication and machine shop, we're both just too slammed and want to farm this one out to get the damn thing mobile again.

I guess I should have phrased it better; Who in the axle shaft game can I send two oddball pieces to and get a get a quality product with a decent turnaround time from? Other than custom length RCV shafts I've never really dealt with any of them
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.... like Branik.
I bet he would want it done this year.

Seriously moser or Dutchman. Maybe look on a model t forum see what turns up.
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:36 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Dutchman makes a lot of vintage replacement shafts already, so I'm betting they will need the least amount of info to get you taken care of so they will likely be the path of least resistance.

This is their order form page.
https://dutchmanaxles.com/measure-or...-rearends.html
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All good points, except maybe weld it back together since it literally broke driving onto a trailer
Sounds like you need to weld the diff too then.
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Have you touched base with the Fountainhead Auto museum in Fairbanks? I'd guess they have some experience with building replacement parts for antique and older vehicles... last time I was there they had a couple of guys working to restore and maintain their fleet.

https://www.fountainheadmuseum.com/
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Why couldn't you just take a modern axle shaft, and cut it down to size? Seems that would be a quick and easy solution.

Jantz has cut and splined shafts for me in years past.
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All good points, except maybe weld it back together since it literally broke driving onto a trailer

I have a lathe and mills at the house and the family business is a big fabrication and machine shop, we're both just too slammed and want to farm this one out to get the damn thing mobile again.

I guess I should have phrased it better; Who in the axle shaft game can I send two oddball pieces to and get a get a quality product with a decent turnaround time from? Other than custom length RCV shafts I've never really dealt with any of them
in the hour or 2 you spend finding somebody to farm it out to, then shipping it, you could have made it already
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in the hour or 2 you spend finding somebody to farm it out to, then shipping it, you could have made it already
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Have you touched base with the Fountainhead Auto museum in Fairbanks? I'd guess they have some experience with building replacement parts for antique and older vehicles... last time I was there they had a couple of guys working to restore and maintain their fleet.

https://www.fountainheadmuseum.com/
They're more likely to come to us for parts or advice. Plus we offered to donate a couple restored vehicles when they opened 10ish years ago and got the cold shoulder. My grandparents had one of if not the biggest private collections of restored vehicles, engines and tractors from the late 1800s to mid early/mid 1900s in the state. This ones just rare, we've hit up our contacts all over the state and lower 48 without luck. These things are sparse and like to break shafts

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in the hour or 2 you spend finding somebody to farm it out to, then shipping it, you could have made it already
You're not wrong at all. But, I'm typing this on my 10th week of 7 12s+, literally no energy to do anything when I'm not at work. I can surf for free on the clock

Dad's hell bent to find a big name to do it even though his own machinists are more than capable for some reason. That being said, I'll probably just go grab an old FF shaft and make the fucking thing just to show the grumpy bastard that it isn't rocket science.
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It probably goes without saying, but don't get too carried away and make a shaft that is too strong, and end up breaking diff parts, trans parts etc, that will be even harder to find or reproduce. Best to keep a fuse in there somewhere.
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It probably goes without saying, but don't get too carried away and make a shaft that is too strong, and end up breaking diff parts, trans parts etc, that will be even harder to find or reproduce. Best to keep a fuse in there somewhere.
Tack weld the shaft back together.
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I wonder will Ford Model T parts fit?

https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_m...xle-shaft.html

They even sell stronger than stock axle shafts!

https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_m...-usa-made.html
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14 bolt swap it!
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Id weld it honestly, Ive done alot of big old forklift axles that way and just machined them smooth. But I actually might have that exact rear end sitting in the field by my shop ill post back up tomorrow
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14 bolt swap it!
14 bolt sucks.....dont you know that...Gm only used them for so long because their engineers couldnt come up with anything
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