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Mr.RatBastard 02-12-2020 06:22 AM

Ruffstuff Y link tierod roll
 
I am putting together a early bronco with full width axles out of a 1978 F-150. Iam getting close to putting the steering on. I ordered a Ruffstuff 1 ton GM Y link kit. All good until a friend reminded me he used this setup on a Cherokee and never could get it to drive right and ended up taking it off switching to crossover.
He had a problem with tie rod roll. I started researching it and Ruffstuff sells "the cure" so the problem is real. Why didn't they include it? Anyway before I start cutting and fitting I want to know how likley is it I will have a problem? Will the cure fix it if I do? Should I do something different? If so what?
3.5" lift, 35's-37's, Toyota pwr steering box.

welndmn 02-12-2020 08:08 AM

This is not a Ruffstuff issue, but an issue with all Y style steering.
Yes, the Cure takes a lot of loose feeling out of the steering.
Your firend that never got it right, I'm guessing had some other issue. People have been driving with Y style steering for years.

desertCJ 02-12-2020 08:18 AM

I had that same steering setup on my Cherokee. I had "The cure" installed on it and it was fine. I removed it to see if there was a difference. I didn't notice any difference and just left it off.

Mr.RatBastard 02-12-2020 09:29 AM

I agree my friend could of had other issues that contributed to the problem. I know Ruffstuff didn't invent Y link steering but I think they did patent the cure even though Ford had something similar way back when. There must be a issue or they wouldn't sell the cure.
The big question is what causes it so I can avoid it? Too much angle on the drag link or misalignment of the drag link and tie rod(from the top looking down) or more basic parrellel drag link and track bar close to parrellel as possible not being good?

desertCJ 02-12-2020 02:00 PM

I think that the distance front to back from the pitman arm to the tierod connection point being longer than necessary would cause it to be worse.

Edit: Keep the drag link as close as parallel to the tiered while still having clearance as possible.

_Stucky 02-13-2020 05:18 AM

My experience with the cure is that I couldnít get the tierod end to seat fully. My truck drives fine with ruffstuff y link and no cure. Personally I think itís a snake oil type thing.

RANGERROD 02-13-2020 07:36 AM

Iíve seen with and without the cure. I know in my friends tj it made a difference since the drag link was at such a steep angle. I think it would roll the tie rod up and down because of this. I imagine if it was more parallel to tie rod you wouldnít see this roll. If that makes sense.

Mr.RatBastard 02-14-2020 05:27 AM

Ruffstuff said they would swap out the tre's for heims. The new problem that would create is at least 6" difference in length between my track bar and drag link. Keep the Y link, switch to crossover? Any other suggestions?

desertCJ 02-14-2020 06:08 AM

Keep the Y link. You don't even know if you have a problem right?

Mr.RatBastard 02-14-2020 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertCJ (Post 44818112)
Keep the Y link. You don't even know if you have a problem right?

Correct but since I haven't cut or installed anything it wouldn't cost anything to switch to crossover style now if there is less chance of having a problem.

desertCJ 02-14-2020 10:27 AM

Cross over is fine but isn't it going to cost you a high steer arm and hardware? Is the passenger side knuckle already setup with studs?

Topar174 02-14-2020 11:19 AM

I used the one ton set up and the cure on my Dodge, it never worked well for me. I think the Y link is just a poor design. I switched to Ruff Stuff crossover with all hiems and love it, big difference!

Mr.RatBastard 02-14-2020 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertCJ (Post 44818616)
Cross over is fine but isn't it going to cost you a high steer arm and hardware? Is the passenger side knuckle already setup with studs?

I would mount the drag link on top and tie rod on bottom of the knuckle.

desertCJ 02-14-2020 01:26 PM

I see. I ran that setup with 3/4"x 5/8" hiems before as well. Just have to keep an eye on that nut/bolt, make sure it stays tight. You may run out of angle on the drag link hiems depending on your setup. It worked fine for me though.

sylvia.kov2002 02-21-2020 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard (Post 44814984)
I am putting together a early bronco with full width axles out of a 1978 F-150. Iam getting close to putting the steering on. I ordered a Ruffstuff 1 ton GM Y link kit. All good until a friend reminded me he used this setup on a Cherokee and never could get it to drive right and ended up taking it off switching to crossover.
He had a problem with tie rod roll. I started researching it and Ruffstuff sells "the cure" so the problem is real. Why didn't they include it? Anyway before I start cutting and fitting I want to know how likley is it I will have a problem? Will the cure fix it if I do? Should I do something different? If so what?
3.5" lift, 35's-37's, Toyota pwr steering box.

I had "The cure" installed on it and it was fine. I removed it to see if there was a difference. I didn't notice any difference and just left it off.


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