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Old 09-22-2004, 03:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dixie Run

Does anyone know if the Dixie Run or Interstate 40 has been cancelled/closed. We were wheeling this last weekend in Uwharrie and some body had said that it was cancelled but I havnt read shit on it yet.
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Its still on, I think somebody was fawking w/ you
don't know about I-40
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Yea it's on. The tellico trails were fawked for a short amount of time due to all the storms that blew through but thanks to the help of the Forest Service and lots of wheelers like us they are cleared and ready to go.
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It's still up in the Air. United's Insurance policy And Southern's Policy that covers Dixie Run is due for renewal THIS FRIDAY and the insuranace compay has made a decision not to renew ANY OHV related policy's.

Stefan Roth (Southerns VP) is trying to find somebody to insure the event.

Here is the information I have. Keep your fingers crossed.

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At the last SWFDA quarterly meeting in Oak Ridge, one of the topics is that Southern's insurance policy will not be renewed this time. The insurance company is not renewing all OHV policies, including United's.

If Southern doesn't get a new policy in place by 5PM this Friday, Southern will have no choice, but to cancel the Dixie Run event. Stefan Roth has been diligently working on getting a new policy with a different insurance company, but it's not certain if they will insure us.
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didn't know about the insurance perdiciment but I-40 is driveable one lane is closed in some parts but still another one open.
fingers are crossed here that insurance mess gets figured out!
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Old 09-23-2004, 03:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Dixie Run is ON!

I just talked to Greg G. the event coordinator for the Dixie Run. The 18th annual Dixie Run is on. There are no problems.

Just a side note to anyone that is planning on coming and not paying/registering. Dixie Run is a major fund raising event for SFWDA. They do ALL of the work on the trails at Tellico. Without the work that SFWDA does, Tellico wouldn't be open. ALL of the money generated from Dixie goes back into the trails. Noone at SFWDA pockets a dime. So if you are a cheap ass and try to cheat the system, you are really cheating everyone by not supporting the work at Tellico to keep it open.

One more thing. For the first time, if you are not registered for the event, you will not be able to buy anything....no t-shirts, no meals, no raffle tickets, ect. No prizes will be given to those that are not registered.
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I just talked to Greg G. the event coordinator for the Dixie Run. The 18th annual Dixie Run is on. There are no problems.

Just a side note to anyone that is planning on coming and not paying/registering. Dixie Run is a major fund raising event for SFWDA. They do ALL of the work on the trails at Tellico. Without the work that SFWDA does, Tellico wouldn't be open. ALL of the money generated from Dixie goes back into the trails. Noone at SFWDA pockets a dime. So if you are a cheap ass and try to cheat the system, you are really cheating everyone by not supporting the work at Tellico to keep it open.

One more thing. For the first time, if you are not registered for the event, you will not be able to buy anything....no t-shirts, no meals, no raffle tickets, ect. No prizes will be given to those that are not registered.
I plan on going to Dixie Run but do not plan on registering for the trail rides or comp. does this mean that i won't be able to buy t-shirst and stickers from sfwda that helps support them, i 've been in the past and have always given a donation of some sort??
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I paid & registered about a month ago
last year I didnt pay till I got there and they didnt have any shirts left

this year I made sure

See yall Friday morning
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Alreday registered and looking forward to a good time.
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been registering and going the past 5 years.. with or without a jeep.. usually without..

so i dont need anyone preaching about this... we simply would like to know if its going to be worth the 13 hour drive there.... you could have simply stated that without ranting for a full paragraph.. and assuming all of us are cheapasses... i would like to believe the opposite..
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okay, correct me if i'm in the wrong here:
I'm semi-new to hardcore wheeling, i've been to tellico 2 times one was at dixie a few years ago, when i was in high school.
I don't want to take my jeep becuase of the pressure of other people wating on me and possibilty of broken parts ( still have a low college budget )
I love going and looking at everyone's rides and hanging out at camp and talking to fellow wheelers.

If i'm not taking my jeep don't plan on driving the trail, just watching the action. I don't expect a hot meal, just a small place to pitch my tent.
so am I in the wrong to not want to pay 80bucks for a camping spot?? what is wrong with a donation of 20-25bucks and supporting sfwda buy purchasing their merchandise!
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Look for the smiley face flag and the second field second driveway you are more than welcome to hang in our group....and it aint wrong, if you aint wheeling why pay, there are other way's to support the event.
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thank you, i'll be looking for ya!
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Guys,
I have seen so very interesting posts that I have read on several boards for the last two weeks.
It continues to amaze me the miss-information that gets posted.

First off - The trails are not open 100%. Due to the recent storms - There will be two crews from Southern Four Wheel Drive Association working on Trails 8 & 9 Saturday.
There were some really big trees that blew down.
The Forest Service has requested that SFWDA get in and remove them from the trails with machines this weekend. You are more than welcome to load up and come help.
Meet at the bridge of trails 1 and 5, 8:00A.M. Saturday morning.

Second - Southern Four Wheel Drive Association has made the decision this Dixie Run that if you are not registered for the event.
You will not be allowed in the campground. You will also not be able to purchase any T-shirts or buy raffle tickets. So if you do not have an arm band of the correct color you will be ask to leave the camp. This is a requirement set by the insurance group for the event.
This is so everyone that is part of the event has completed the correct paper work and everyone can have a great time. I am sure that you all understand.
Anymore questions please feel free to email me.
I will try to get back to you as soon as possible.
Have a great weekend.
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Good job greg, thanks for the post to clarify that. I've watched this thread because I've looked into insurance for new OHV parks and events in the past and know how difficult it is to get ANY coverage. I think your decision to require everyone to sign in is prudent, at the least. All events should require this.

Most of the larger carriers will not even look at events like this because the perception is there is no contol or oversight of the event. This also extends to "club rides" on private property. Anything that can be done to make carriers more comfortable with events/rides are better for all of us in the long run.

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[QUOTE=Greg G]Guys,

Second - Southern Four Wheel Drive Association has made the decision this Dixie Run that if you are not registered for the event.
You will not be allowed in the campground. You will also not be able to purchase any T-shirts or buy raffle tickets. So if you do not have an arm band of the correct color you will be ask to leave the camp. This is a requirement set by the insurance group for the event.
This is so everyone that is part of the event has completed the correct paper work and everyone can have a great time. I am sure that you all understand.

This is why Me and a few friends no longer attend dixie run. Every year I alone would buy around a $100 worth of tickets and my dad would do the same. We will support the ohv in other ways and you can have your traffic jam in the middle of nowhere
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I'm with biggin, I can't see where turning people away from the positive atmosphere at Dixie Run is helping anybody out??
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I'm with biggin, I can't see where turning people away from the positive atmosphere at Dixie Run is helping anybody out??

Its not helping anyone out....the decision appears to be made because of insurance reasons

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This is a requirement set by the insurance group for the event.
This is so everyone that is part of the event has completed the correct paper work and everyone can have a great time.
If Southern lost the insurance for this event and the Dixie Run was cancelled, then no one would be helped out....as no money would be raised for trail maintence at tellico, no trail manitece equals closed trails, and how would that benefit anyone?

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Well the last couple years I went over to the camp at Hanging Dog It seemed like it was getting harder and harder to go in and look around at the vendors and buy raffle tickets. I know a bunch of people that done this. I think in the long run when they dont take in as much money than years past they will allow it again. They are hurting there selves. And as far as the insurance thing goes, I would understand if unregistered people were using the rti ramp and participating in trail rides but they're not so, what gives? Like I said they were cutting down on it several years ago and I think they are just using the insurance thing as an excuse.
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Biggin......basically Dixie Run is a fund raiser to help keep Tellico open. SFWDA has been hosting the Dixie Run for 18 years. They have a pretty good idea of what is best for the over all event. They are not going to do anything that is going to degrade the quality of the event. (Your ever-so-wise insight on what is best for the event is amusing though) With an attitude like the one you have presented here, I assure you that you will not be missed at this year's Dixie Run.
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Well the last couple years I went over to the camp at Hanging Dog It seemed like it was getting harder and harder to go in and look around at the vendors and buy raffle tickets. I know a bunch of people that done this. I think in the long run when they dont take in as much money than years past they will allow it again. They are hurting there selves. And as far as the insurance thing goes, I would understand if unregistered people were using the rti ramp and participating in trail rides but they're not so, what gives? Like I said they were cutting down on it several years ago and I think they are just using the insurance thing as an excuse.

Ok stop take a deep breath. Cleanse mind and abosorb the following.

PEOPLE JUST SHOWING UP PLAYS HELL WITH PLANNING THE EVENT!
THE INSURANCE COMPANY REQUIRES THEY HAVE AN ACURATE COUNT BEFORE THE EVENT.

I have helped plan large events including the First two Southern Summer Conventions where my wife and I pretty well did the Registration alone the one year. ITS HELL ENOUGH TO PLAN WITH A KNOWN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. ITS TOTAL CHAOS WHEN YOU HAVE UPWARDS OF 100 STRAGLERS SHOWING UP. You cant acuratly plan for them in Food, BATHROOM FACILITIES and Crowd control ( REQUIREMENTS BY INSURANCE, FS, and any Municipalities involved). Yes Crowd control. Their has to be a ratio of people running the event to those attending. So many clubs pitch in its not a big deal because those working the event cover that number easily. That includes clubs doing the check in, Trail bosses, tail gunners, people running the kids games, operating the RTI ramp etc.

All these requirements have to be met to avoid fines and repercussions that could end the event.

Another example is the bathrooms/porta poties. You have to have ratio of them to cover the expected attendance. They are not free. They have to be aranged for in advance and then they have to be serviced. If the FS or a county official came in and did a head count that showed that they failed to provide enough they are liable and could be fined. That fine will easily exceed any money that straglers, like yourself, that show up at the last moment will generate.

Getting fined would also make insurance more difficult next go around. It would make approval for the event by the local municipality and FS for use of the OHV more difficult. Thats why the rock crawl is now held in Crawford camp on private property and not on the system trails anymore. The crowd control for spectators as well as the damage the spectators were causing was in violation of the FS rules. They were trying to keep it a secret where it would be to avoid these problems but people just followed them in and they had no choice but move it or get fined.

Due to pressure from GAGs and fear of insurance compaines getting sued its a cross all "T's" Dot all "I's" now at any of these events. Insurance is going throught the roof and it is to the point where events like Dixie run may soon be a thing of the past because of it. You are not helping the problem. You are making it worse.

You planned to "just show" up for a long period of time. You plain said you never intended to do things the way you were asked to make it easy on the event planners. You planned this with Plenty of time to register properly. Dont be a dick to those that busted their ass to put on a good event for those of us that can follow the rules they asked and register in a timely manner. They are doing what has to be done to keep the event viable and that means they have to keep the powers that be happy.

END OF DISCUSSION. If you don't like it you can plan you own event and do whatever you like. Its a free country. I'm sure Greg could provide you with a nice LONG list of things that have to be done to cover bases.

You want to go I sugest you go to www.sfwda.org and see if you can get registered now.

If you really want to help....tomorrow morning.
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Unfortunaly Dixie run falls on the wifes B-Day so I only go every couple of years but I want to Thank you for all the hard work you and the others do to put this event on. Everyone I have been to has been first class and a real ball.

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Grim Reaper.....you won't hear me say this very often, but......."Preach it Brotha!"

Thanks for positive words.

I am getting up at the crack of dawn tomorrow morning to go cut trees to open trails at Tellico to make sure trails are open. We'll see how many of the whiners that are too cheap to register for DR show up to help the cause by working on the trails to make sure they are open for everyone.
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Grim Reaper.....you won't hear me say this very often, but......."Preach it Brotha!"

Thanks for positive words.

I am getting up at the crack of dawn tomorrow morning to go cut trees to open trails at Tellico to make sure trails are open. We'll see how many of the whiners that are too cheap to register for DR show up to help the cause by working on the trails to make sure they are open for everyone.
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No problem. I been there I know what it takes and it gave me renewed respect for what it takes to put this type of thing on. Till you have worked a large event you really don't know how much effort and planning it takes. Registration for the Summer conventions was a pain in the butt and it was restricted access. I can't imagine the pain in the butt it is to do Dixie run. GBR has helped with the Kids games and that kept the whole club busy for weeks.

I'm trying to get back into this again like I was a few years ago. Last ride I was on was 2 years ago almost when I tagged along with the Renegades. Its tough to make any time right now.

Thanks everybody that does go to clean ups and keeps the trail open so that once I get things back inline and have time to play I will have a place to do it.

Trying to make a point to be at the Beasley clean up in Oct. It took a little bit of a pounding as well. Currently closed last I read. FS hired Crew was already in there working so hopefully being closed they can make some fast progress before the GBR work weekend in OCT and we can get it reopend.
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So like if I show up tomorrow like at 1 pm cuz i sleep in like in my Honda i cant like trail ride all day for free. Tell me again I dont understand..........



Greg and SFWDA got Tellico open Royal Blue open and more lands added. They do a great job.

Good luck tomorrow.

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