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Old 11-05-2004, 02:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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SEMA NEW PRODUCT REALESE*** BFG mud terrains

It looks like BFG may be redesigning the Mud terrains, basicly making it a more street freindly krawler.

From BFG's website:

November 2, 2004 BFGoodrich® Tires Unveils Next-Generation Mud-Terrain® T/AKM Concept Tire.



"While we are evaluating all of our feedback, our goal is, and always will be, to only introduce a new design if it is what our customers want and if it can perform better than the previous version."


Curious how these will compare to actual Krawlers, the tread seems only slightly different, most obviously in the sidwall lugs and the angles on the center lugs. Any one have any more info or comments on these

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that would be cool, would fit my application of wheeler and daily driver, my beef with the MT has always been the weak ass sidewalls, and the krawlers arent a good dd, that new tire would be a perfect compromise
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Looks like that tire is already starting to feather(heel/tow wear).
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Old 11-05-2004, 03:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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another part which might be applicable:

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Designed to fit a 22-inch wheel, the Mud-Terrain T/A®KMconcept tire (size: LT335/55R22) addresses the growing trend of larger wheel diameters, both in the original equipment and the replacement tire markets, and features an aggressive, performance-oriented tread pattern that resonates with the tire marketplace.
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http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgap.../11022004A.jsp
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Old 11-05-2004, 03:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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another part which might be applicable:



Press release:
http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgap.../11022004A.jsp
I think this just has to do with the concept tires which they are showing at SEMA, I posted a picture in This thread

From the press release it sounds like they are totally redesigning the Mud Terrain design. Mainly these two phrases catch my attention "introduce a new design" and "the previous version"
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i'm willing to bet it'll mostly come in 17,18, and 20" sizes
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i'm willing to bet it'll mostly come in 17,18, and 20" sizes
I'd also be willing to be that it will be fawkin expensive that you could spend a few more bucks and get ACTUAL Krawlers.
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those real kick ass.. but if they only come in 17s+ that will be
i'd buy em.. in a 35x15's
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Old 11-05-2004, 06:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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I think many people seem to be missing the point, these will be replacing the current mud terrain. This means it should be available in all the standard sizes and shouldnt be $400 a tire like Krawlers (yeah yeah everyone says just buddy up with a comp guy and you can get krawler cheaper but try finding comp guys in omaha)

This seems like a great move on BFG's part as everyone and there mom seems to be running MT/R's at least people with smaller tires (which makes up the majority of rigs out there)
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Old 11-05-2004, 08:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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that would be cool, would fit my application of wheeler and daily driver, my beef with the MT has always been the weak ass sidewalls, and the krawlers arent a good dd, that new tire would be a perfect compromise


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It looks like BFG may be redesigning the Mud terrains, basicly making it a more street freindly krawler.

From BFG's website:

November 2, 2004 BFGoodrich® Tires Unveils Next-Generation Mud-Terrain® T/AKM Concept Tire.



"While we are evaluating all of our feedback, our goal is, and always will be, to only introduce a new design if it is what our customers want and if it can perform better than the previous version."


Curious how these will compare to actual Krawlers, the tread seems only slightly different, most obviously in the sidwall lugs and the angles on the center lugs. Any one have any more info or comments on these

I'd bet money they will have the same sidewall construction,same rubber compound and probly even a higher price cuz of the "new" design. Maybe not $400 a tire but they'll be higher than the current BFG muds,I'd bet on it. If they don't change the sidewall construction and rubber compund,I'd say they won't be much different(performance wise)than the current BFG's. Might see a little better performance in a select few cercumstances but I don't see them holding a candle to the real "Krawlers"
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I don't DD my FJ40 [that's what my dilapidated fleet is for], but I always drive it to the trail (and hopefully back). So, I'm leery of going to the Krawlers for, say, 2000 mile round trips to Moab.

That concept MT might be just the compromise I'm looking for to step up to a more agressive tread while maintaining highway handling and tire wear longevity. I'd guess the compromise would come with the tread conpound. Harder, therefore less sticky, with the MT, no doubt. But no cold-morning, nylon-cord Krawler thump-thump-thump?

*Edit: Must come in 15" rim size, preferably with the 13.50 width like the 35" Krawlers. I like the flotation.
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If they stayed at the current price of BFG muds, Id probably give em a shot.. Although I wasnt real impressed with the sidewalls of the BFG muds Ive seen in action.. I only had one set of em, for a short amount of time... That being said, if they do only come in 17" + sizes.. thats fine with me.. once I get the axles in and the H2 rims goin on..
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Great, I can run them on my 22s



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French??? No, Michelin, Dunlop, and BFG are all on company, but they make different tires in different countries. The BFG KO in a 31x10.5x15 is manufactured in Japan, and I belive the LT265/75/16 is manufactured in the USA, but take a couple different Michelin tires and they will be manufactured in France. I think it comes down to which mold is sold more, and the cost to make it. So manufacturing the tire in France, or Japan, or China. Just saves you money.
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Ya, depending on the price, I would prolly try em'. I would dig the 39.5x13.5x17 size... I'm sure the to & from trail driving will eat up my new irocs too quickly. We'll just have to wait and see.
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I just returned from SEMA and spoke to a very poorly informed booth worker and was told.....

"It is the next generation M/T from BFG and will be rolled out in the larger SUV sizes and then through 05 and 06 it will replace the existing sizes of todays current M/T"
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We also just got back from SEMA and I talked with Jeff Cummins for a while about these new MT tires- He's been pretty heavily involved with the product development and testing. They just got back from pre-running the Baja 1000 with a set of these tires (37x12.5x17") and he said that they hands-down outperform the existing MT tires at high-speeds on and off-road. That was a big surprise, but a great thing for those of us with DD trucks. He also told me that regardless of the tread-pattern redesign (it's still not finalized), the new MT tires will be available in a full range of popular sizes and that we can expect comparable tread-life (40,000+).
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Looks like competition for the Nitto Grapler
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We also just got back from SEMA and I talked with Jeff Cummins for a while about these new MT tires- He's been pretty heavily involved with the product development and testing. They just got back from pre-running the Baja 1000 with a set of these tires (37x12.5x17") and he said that they hands-down outperform the existing MT tires at high-speeds on and off-road. That was a big surprise, but a great thing for those of us with DD trucks. He also told me that regardless of the tread-pattern redesign (it's still not finalized), the new MT tires will be available in a full range of popular sizes and that we can expect comparable tread-life (40,000+).
40K miles from a BFG MT!! Prorated for 40k wow.. so should get some new tires for 50% off

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I've seen 40k from a set of MTs, how heavy of a truck were you running them on and for what use? On a 4500lb rig, with religious rotation and proper maintainence of air pressure I pulled them off after 40k in order to go up to bigger Swampers, not because they were completely worn out. Although they were getting there.
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We get that kind of tread-life out of our BFG MT tires too. On smaller/lightweight trucks though...
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are they really going to be better than the MTR? honestly, you can get the MTR for very little more at any walmart, and as far as i know the MT doesnt come in anthing over a 37 right now anyway (i may be wrong). i loved my mtrs, they were the only tire i could think of that was going to be the best compromise for my DD/trail rig.

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are they really going to be better than the MTR? honestly, you can get the MTR for very little more at any walmart, and as far as i know the MT doesnt come in anthing over a 37 right now anyway (i may be wrong). i loved my mtrs, they were the only tire i could think of that was going to be the best compromise for my DD/trail rig.

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