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View Poll Results: Have you broken a winch rope or cable in 2004?
Steel Cable: Broke 11 11.46%
Steel Cable: Still usable 37 38.54%
Rope: Broke 8 8.33%
Rope: Still Usable (ZERO GNOTS!, this implies it broke) 17 17.71%
Dunno, my winch is in it's box, or on a rig with no go. 23 23.96%
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Old 01-14-2005, 06:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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2004 Survey: Did you snap your winch line?

This thread is not meant to respark the steel vs. synthetic debate. Just to find out what people have and have they broken their line, at least once. If more, please post up.



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snapped my 5/16 line on my buggy. Switched up to 3/8's and have had no problems.
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Used my rockstomper 5/16 all last year and did not snap it. I would say I probably used it about 10 times, a couple of them were really hard pulls.
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No issues with my rope. Used a good bit this year. (For other people).
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I usually use a snatch block with my 5/16 & it hasn't failed for the 2 years I have had this one.
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Steel Cable: Broke 1 7.69%
Steel Cable: Still usable 5 38.46%
Rope: Broke 1 7.69%
Rope: Still Usable (ZERO GNOTS!, this implies it broke) 3 23.08%
Dunno, my winch is in it's box, or on a rig with no go. 3 23.08 %

What about adding a still good section to the syn rope and not that it broke once
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What about adding a still good section to the syn rope and not that it broke once
Because, I'm wondering, roughly of course. How the ropes have performed against the steel cables as far as breakage goes.

So, for the purposes of this survey, I'm only counting breakage. Not, could you fix it again. Why? There has been a few times my life (or life as I know it) has depended on a winch line. (literally) If the line had broke, I would have been fawked. Wouldn't have mattered if Icould have fixed the line at that point.




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I had to cut about 15' off my steel line after grinding it over a rock, but other than that it is still usable.
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snapped my 5/16 line on my buggy. Switched up to 3/8's and have had no problems.

same here.

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No issues with my rope. Used a good bit this year. (For other people).
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Old 01-14-2005, 09:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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There could also be some coloring in the statistics, so don't go straight off the numbers. For instance, maybe more people that use their winch harder decided that they needed synthetic rope more, maybe causing an uneven disturbution in the punishment that they get.

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Several hard pulls on rope no probs.
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Old 01-14-2005, 10:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Ok...how about 6 years on cable with countless hard pulls...and still in great shape.
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I broke a steel cable last year, but it was partially my fault. Someone hooked me up with some free stainless cable from the Navy base here cause they have to change all their cables once every year or two even if they havn't been used. The stuff was brand new. I jumped on it so quick and put it on my winch to replace my rusted and kinked steel line that I had been running for two years. I broke on the first pull the stainless line ever had going up a waterfall that was damn near 8' straight up and wet. It shot 80 feet to the opposite direction. Luckily it didn't come towards me since it broke right at the fairlead, my hood wasn't up either.

Here is the pull


Since it broke right at the fairlead, there wasn't any major backlash to my side:





I later found out that it was a 1/4" cable. I put my old one back on. If I can find a good price on some synthetic cable I might buy some for my front winch, because I need to find some cable for the rear winch I just rebuilt. I don't even want to put the 1/4" on the rear winch cause it broke so easy last year, and my vehicle is a couple hundred pounds heavier with the 42s and one ton axles now.


btw, did anyone see how the synthetic line broke on one fo the vehicles on Top Truck Challenge? Or was it two vehicles? I can't remember.
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Broke a steel cable on Fordyce...Snatch block was mia and it just went. Had with ease 70 pulls, mostly winching people out of the mud or the box or drunks that crash near my road Honestly though I think I used it 3 times for personal use. Made alot of off it
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For a poll like this to be valid, you may have to quantify what exactly is "still usable" when referring to the steel cable. I've seen some people using some scary shit when it comes to steel cable. Broken lays, not strands, but whole lays, half dozen birdcages, etc. I got tired of replacing the cable every few pulls since it inevitably ended up with kinks and birdcaged due to overwraps under load. 3 or more birdcages/serious kinks and it was replacement time. Maybe I'm anal about recovery gear, but I'm thinkin most with steel cable push the limits when it comes to still usable. No way you can get hundreds of pulls without damage unless its in a lab under controlled circumstances or you have a bling bling cable guide, or stop every few feet of a pull to straiten cable. I've replaced plenty of steel cable due to damage BEFORE it broke, synth is cheaper in the long run for this factor alone.
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The best thing about rope is the fact that you can re-tie it if it does break. I hate cable for the weight and recoil factor. Ask a winch mfg. and they will tell you after one really hard use you should replace the cable. I have been suprised at how well my rope has held up to abrasion (rocks, sucking front end down).


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broke 2nd steel cable in 5 years both in the last year both due to user abuse due to being stuck in bad position and having the only winch 2nd cable still usable only 30' shorter
I plan to go to rope when the cash flow improves
also building new front bumper without and sharp edges to cut cable or rope
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broke 2nd steel cable in 5 years 2nd cable still usable only 30' shorter
This is exactly what I'm talking about in reguards to defining "still usable" when it comes to steel cable. You've used the cable to the point of complete failure and still feel its safe to use the remainder of the cable in a recovery operation. Sorry, but NO, damage is not limited to the point of the break. Cant afford a replacement, then dont replace what you take off, but you should not keep using it.
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broke 2nd steel cable in 5 years both in the last year both due to user abuse due to being stuck in bad position and having the only winch 2nd cable still usable only 30' shorter
I plan to go to rope when the cash flow improves
also building new front bumper without and sharp edges to cut cable or rope
Be interesting to know what size steel and synthetic that people are breaking. Can't count the number of full size vehicles I've seen with 5/16 on them
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This is exactly what I'm talking about in reguards to defining "still usable" when it comes to steel cable. You've used the cable to the point of complete failure and still feel its safe to use the remainder of the cable in a recovery operation. Sorry, but NO, damage is not limited to the point of the break. Cant afford a replacement, then dont replace what you take off, but you should not keep using it.

My intent was still usable, as in one solid piece. No knots.

Beyond that, it's get's hard to quantify. For all the frailties of steel, rope has a pretty good set of their own. Such as fraying, abrasion damage, miildew, etc. So for all intensive purposes, I didn't bother taking that in to account for the survey.



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Been running my steel cable for 6 years now - no worries!!! It has seen a number of hard pulls that required snatch blocks due to stalling too (9000lb)! But - I always tighten the cable straight on the drum after use, so there are no bad kinks in it still, and I keep the jeep inside so no rust on it.
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I will add that I broke my 5/16 steel cable and it dropped to the ground. 4 times I have broke my cable (misuse) and no recoil.

I just put some cable clamps on there and keep using it.
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I just put some cable clamps on there and keep using it.
x2. I always carry a couple cable clamps in case my winch breaks and I still need to use it on the trail. When I broke mine, it came in handy to have a hacksaw. I didn't have one, but someone at the event had one and it came in handy to clean up the long strands that were left after the breakage.
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