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Old 02-18-2002, 10:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Land Closure-Clayton, OK

Private land...just wanted to say that up front

OK, here is the deal as I have it second hand:

This weekend there was a group from Dallas FWD-FWD running the "K" trail on the WMA land south-east of town.

They ran into the game warden who was extremely nice, but offered some information on trail closings.

All access through Hurd Creek trail (charcoal plant) has been closed until further notice.

Seems there was a group that mouthed off to the land owners who have let us use this land for years and they pulled the plug.

FWD-FWD has a ton of clout and they have been notified to try to come to an agreement with these land owners.

The trails effected are:

Upper Powerline
3 Stage
Rock Creek
Lost Creek
St Valentine
Hurd Creek
Timberline
Purple Headed Monster

PLEASE! Until this issue has been resolved, STAY OFF THESE AREAS!

This can and will be resolved I am sure. Clayton gets a TON of revenue each year from the 4x4 community and will work with us to make this issue go away.

Please pass this to your club members that use the Clayton area.

I will keep you informed of any developments as I hear them.
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Old 02-18-2002, 10:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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DAMN!



Thats almost all of the good trails.

does anyone know who the loadmouth is?

Why do people do shit like this, it makes no sence. You are letting me wheel on your land and I bitch about it. WTF were they thinking.
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gawddammit! Thanks for the news (well, maybe not).
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Is the adjoining permit land affected? What is the best way to get to the open trails without going in at the Charcoal plant?

This sucks! We have a big run planned for this weekend.
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Old 02-18-2002, 11:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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What about the trails that come off of Wildwood? Access to any of those effected? Damn I'd like to know who had to spout off and say something... It was always wierd hearing all the land closure issues out in California and stuff... and thinking... man its nice not to worry about that... and of course....

Anything I can do to help, we've got about 30 wheelers in our club if it would help any! Lemme know!

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Old 02-18-2002, 11:08 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Does anyone have a map of clayton showing where the public and private lands cross? That might show which trails we can go on and which ones for the time being to stay off of? If someone can get me a good map I will edit it and host it on one of my webservers.
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To my knowledge, the ones that come off of WildWood are not WMA areas. This still leaves the Powerlines, Jim and Juanitas (sp?), Snake Pit, Rock Creek and a couple others I'm sure.

The best bet may be to run out in Yanush for now.

Not good news.
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Old 02-18-2002, 11:14 AM   #8 (permalink)
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this frigging sucks. i have had this weekend planned for a while now. damn. damn.
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Most of Rock Creek, the best parts anyway are on the private land, At least that is what I have always been told, so it is closed as well.
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Old 02-18-2002, 11:24 AM   #10 (permalink)
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FAWK there goes my fun, I guess I should sell my fawking Heep afterall this is TX! oh well I guess Ill just go to Disney and crawl, but its a lot hell of a longer drive, For the love of God please some one open Clayton back up ASAP.
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Old 02-18-2002, 11:31 AM   #11 (permalink)
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If you enter on Wildwood out by the State Park "this is called K trail"

K trail runs a ridge and ends up in the WMA (permit land) about 5 miles from the blacktop (hwy 43) and goes for 100 miles or so into Arkansas.

All the trails off the south side of K trail are still OK, just don't go North off this trail for now.
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appreciate the info wngrog, there is also a private area about 10 miles away I am told that is a pay per vehicle area with some good trails.
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i was gonna run 3 stage friday afternoon!!!
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Old 02-18-2002, 11:54 AM   #14 (permalink)
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appreciate the info wngrog, there is also a private area about 10 miles away I am told that is a pay per vehicle area with some good trails.
yeah, it is up on Mr Freilings land north east of Yanush.

Hit my Cruiser website in my signature and check out pictures from there in January.

Fun place for sure.
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So does anyone have a digital copy of a map of clayton, or maybe a Mapsourse or MS Map copy of the area? I am heading down this weekend and want to build something that I can use and post to the net for others to use. So we know where to ride and where not to till this blows over.
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Old 02-18-2002, 02:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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FWD-FWD is going to jump on this tomorrow night at a special meeting. As Nolen as stated, please stay off the land for now.


As for maps, I have some, but not in a format I can send you. You can enter off of Wildwood and run trails there, but stay off of Rock Creek, as it will dump you right in the middle of the property.

Seems Jess Johnson, the horse guy, is back to stirring up sheet. From the information that I gathered, it's a $200 fine and they are going to enforce this for the forseeable future.

Please, if you come across a Game Warden, be nice. They are only doing their jobs.

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yeah and everybody stay away from jess johnsons campground. if he is pitching such a big fit then lets not help line his pockets.
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yeah and everybody stay away from jess johnsons campground. if he is pitching such a big fit then lets not help line his pockets.
Amen to that, Jess is about one thing, the all mighty dollar.
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help a newbie out, which trails from k trail besides j&j and that gatekeeper part of powerline? havent ran many trails in clayton.
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help

if you need some help from an oklahoma club feel free to contact the oklahoma trailchasers. we have a website with all sorts of contacts. we will help in anyway possible!!!
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help a newbie out, which trails from k trail besides j&j and that gatekeeper part of powerline? havent ran many trails in clayton.
That's about it....all 4-5 trails:

Upper Powerline to the Snake Pit

Jim and Juanita's

If you want a mild run, stay on K trail until you hit blacktop, it will take about 6 hours then hook a left and it will carry you back to 271.

Don't forget to get a WMA pass at the store in town if you take K trail past where Lost Creek comes out.
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thanks for info, we will be there this weekend, can anyone go the the frieling place? how to from state park? will someone be at the gate or just sign in, pay, and go?
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And Please remember, that this affects only a a small portion of the trails in the Clayton area.

FWD has leased some land north of town that is open to other clubs to run, you do have to pay the owner of the land a usage fee.

There are the trails in Yanush.

There are all the trails south of Wildwood.

There are the trails out on the WMA, like Busline and Surveyline.

And you have all the property (like 250,000 acres) of land on the WMA. This does require a permit, but it is good for a year.

Clayton trails are by no means closed, just a portion of them. It is still the best wheeling spot east of New Mexico. and west of Tellico.
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Old 02-18-2002, 05:03 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Clayton trails are by no means closed, just a portion of them. It is still the best wheeling spot east of New Mexico. and west of Tellico.
Shit, beyond Tellico.....Tellico pales in comparison to Clayton.

I have never been to Paragon, so that is the only place I can't speak for to say that Clayton has the best trails east of New Mexico
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Is there a good website for this place?
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