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Old 03-23-2005, 12:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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check it..

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/ 1/2 down the page

weight per tire chart for swampers.
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

no more breakin em off the rim to drop in bb's.

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Old 03-23-2005, 12:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Am I reading it right that you can install them throught their valve core? It also looks like you have to run their "filtered" valve core... Looks cool though.
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breaking them off the rim ain't too bad, but what I think is cool is the listing of how many ounces you should need..
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Nice chart for the weights

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BBs suck, use airsoft pellets. Similar size, but they are plastic (lighter weight individually) and wont clump together. Thats what i use.
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Not sure what the cost of this stuff is -- we all use Centramatic wheel balancers(www.centramatic.com) cost about $200 shipped.
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Not sure what the cost of this stuff is -- we all use Centramatic wheel balancers(www.centramatic.com) cost about $200 shipped.
Ive found those things don't do jack crap, at least not on the last rig I drove with them on.. with 38" swampers..
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Old 03-23-2005, 03:51 PM   #9 (permalink)
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we've got 1 rig running 35's and another on 46 Claws that say they're great!

(if you were running 38's on a 4.5" or 5.5" bolt pattern then you might have been underweight -- as they make they progressively heavier for 5-lug, 6-lug, 8-lug, etc.)
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I just put these in the rear tires on my XJ. I have to add them to the front when I have time to break the beads and add them. I decided to try them after a couple tire places couldn't fit my rims on the balancing machines because of the beadlocks.

I did the front beadlocks first while waiting for adapters for the back. The Jeep really dances at 45 mph becuase of the non-balanced tires. I put the Dyna Beads in the back tires and mounted them up a week after the front and I can say the dancing didn't get any worse than it was with just the front unbalanced. Hopefully this weekend I'll get them in the front tires. I put in the filtered valve stems and they didn't seem to slow down airing up the tires, I haven't tried to air them down yet. The beads seem big and heavy enough that they won't get sucked up to the valve stem as long as it's not at the very bottom.

I ordered through thier site and the stuff showed up in 3 days.
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we've got 1 rig running 35's and another on 46 Claws that say they're great!
You must have gotten lucky with a well balanced set of 46s.

I talked to a head tech at centramatic a year ago and he told me the versions for our rims were useless on a bigger than 35" tire...just not enough medium in the ring.

I use 18 oz bb's per 44", but its pretty cool to see a better alternative. Never thought about using airsoft pellets...you'd have to use a TON of those to add a significant amount of balancing medium to a large tire.

I dig the small, ceramic bb concept.
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well for a price estimate. i just priced them out for my 36x12.5x15's. $65 for all four tires. that includes the cores, applicator and remover.
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check it..

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/ 1/2 down the page

weight per tire chart for swampers.
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

no more breakin em off the rim to drop in bb's.

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Old 03-24-2005, 08:47 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Great info again, you must have a bit of free time at work because you always come up with this stuff.
How the project doing? I have not seen any pics in a while.
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Well, the rig I was driving had 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern, so maybe that was it...
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i bought these (got 14 ounces so if i have to change rims and lose some i could still have enough. i'll be putting 10 ounces in my 38x15.5x16s) a short while ago, However i can't get them in!!

i've tried applying it from the valve stem but no luck, they pretty much instantly get stuck and pile up. I tried doing it slow, tapping on the stem, etc. no luck.

i REALLY don't want to break the bead to put them in, we'll see.. going to call them again right now.

anyone got some ideas?
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get a length of hose that fits the stem snuggly.. fill hose with desired ammount of pellets.. attach hose to stem with hose clamp. put air blower on air compressor and blow the shit in with 50psi.

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I got mine in last weekend and noticed a marked improvement.

I still get the "tires out of round/probably not centered perfect on the beadlock" shakes but they're quite a bit less dramatic. I put 12 ounces in my 35x12.5 SSRs, figured the extra wasn't going to hurt since I'm missing whole lugs off some of the tires.

Edit: I broke the back bead on the tires and put these in. Seemed easier to me than a) unbolting the beadlock ring on the front or b) trying to get them in the valve stem. Took no time at all. Just lay the tire on the ground under a bumper and jack the vehicle up on top of the tire, it'll pull the bead off.
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Old 04-01-2005, 11:58 AM   #19 (permalink)
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What do you do about deflating the tires with these? I like taking out the core on mine, but am afraid the bb's will spit out.
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Old 04-01-2005, 10:55 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Guessing that az-K5 missed this part.

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It also looks like you have to run their "filtered" valve core...
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they sell special valve cores.. i got'em with the order.

as for my install - well robert responded to my help email, and told me that he saw this issue last week. he told me to just drill the valve stem with a 1/8" bit and it'll go in there.

Drilled it, and it started to go in. However a few notes:

1. i made the hold in the applicator too big, so if i dumped it all at once it would instantly get stuck. i had to gently control it so there is only a fine stream of them going in.

2. they still got stuck several times. what i did was took the applicator off, and inhaled from the clear tube that attaches to the valve stem. that would unclog it and allow to proceed, however: when inhaling it, i got it in my mouth everytime. you can't chew them - fuckers are rock hard. i also threw up once because it almost went down my throat..

3. very good improvement. used 10 ounces per tire as specified..

4. you can NOT chew them! i repeat - they are rock hard.

5.when you inhale/blow them back in, it will get moisture inside the tube. let it DRY first before resuming, otherwise they will pile up and get stuck again.


my advice would be to try it with a small hole in the applicator, that way u dont NEED to be super gentle and keep a steady stream - with a small enough hole it'll control the stream. in this case bigger is NOT better. if ya can - just pop the bead and get them in, its by far the easiest IMO.

also, i advise to pop the bead, because then u can clean up the inside of the tire and make sure there is no grease/water in there.. i'm sure i got some, but i didn't want to pop the bead.

BTW robert at innovate was super helpfull (he told me to drill it out otherwise i'd probabl had to pop the bead or something). even called me to see how it worked out for me..

so far i rate it A+.
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you threw up to try and get a ceramic bb out of ur esophagus? I swallowed a quarter playing none other than quarters...didn't bother I shit it out in 3 days.

On to relevant tech, how do they do balancing your tires?
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on the couple blocks that i did till home its great. i'm going to big bear tomorrow and will see how they ride...
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check it..

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/ 1/2 down the page

weight per tire chart for swampers.
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

no more breakin em off the rim to drop in bb's.


and btw those have been out for a while.. stupid noob.


































sorry i had to. and the preferred method is still breaking the bead and shoving them in. the valve stem method sucks IMO, but maybe it was the big hold i made in the applicator.
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but maybe it was the big hold i made in the applicator.
Or even possibly the big hole.
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