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Old 12-12-2005, 08:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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?'s on Walker Evans inner bead popping

Well I still have mine on the shelf brand new.

After seeing a buddy, keep popping inner bead, I am wondering should I weld a ring on the inner side.

Plus talking to two comp buddies of mine, they say that is fairly common with these wheels running below 8 PSI.

So guys what are you all doing to fix the problem, Bigger Inner Ring?

If so where are you getting it.
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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popping inner bead??? You mean the tire is popping over the inner bead on the inside of the rim? If so, he's gotta be runnin Krawlers and basically, there's not much you can do about it.

Or, maybe I misunderstood you.
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Mine and the other guys I know that run Walkers and Krawlers have the air seep out at low pressure.

I run 8-10# and it seeps only under very serious side hilling.

Remember, Krawlers are radials and they bulge at higher pressure than Bias Ply tires, therefore I have not problem with traction at the higher pressures.

As for the inner bead popping off, good luck, I tried to dismount my Krawlers when I was switching wheels the other day and I have a real good Aussie Tire Plyers set and I could not get them to pop off.

Seep? Yes. Pop off? I have had the opposite experience.

By the way, they "burp" air at 1# bursts usually.
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from what i have seen seems to be a krawler issue not a rim issue
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I second (or is it more like 11ty-billionth) that... the Krawlers are notorious for letting go of the bead below 8#

But running them at higher psi is typically not a problem, especially the comp compound.
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from what i have seen seems to be a krawler issue not a rim issue
walkers/iroks, no problems yet......
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Straight from the horses mouth - We run Walker Evans wheels and 37" Comp Krawlers at 5 psi. That is as low as we prefer to go on pressure. We don't burp air, never have. We used to run Robby Gordon wheels and had the same result. I have had these two wheels side by side and the inner lip design is very similar.

39" Krawlers give some folks trouble on the inner bead. Others don't have trouble. In my experience, if you have 6 pounds in a 39" Krawler on an aluminum wheel, you are golden. It might take 8 pounds on a steel wheel, I just don't know. As far as other tires go, it is anyones guess.
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I also have 37" Krawlers
I dont have beadlocks (alcoa wheels)
Front = 6-8 psi
Rear = 4-6 psi
never lost a bead or burped air

I hope posting this doesnt jinx me
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Straight from the horses mouth - We run Walker Evans wheels and 37" Comp Krawlers at 5 psi. That is as low as we prefer to go on pressure. We don't burp air, never have. We used to run Robby Gordon wheels and had the same result. I have had these two wheels side by side and the inner lip design is very similar.

39" Krawlers give some folks trouble on the inner bead. Others don't have trouble. In my experience, if you have 6 pounds in a 39" Krawler on an aluminum wheel, you are golden. It might take 8 pounds on a steel wheel, I just don't know. As far as other tires go, it is anyones guess.
I am trying to decide between the Walker and Gordon wheels. Why did you switch?
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I am trying to decide between the Walker and Gordon wheels. Why did you switch?

Long story. Needed a second set of wheels. Walker Evans has a Contingency Program, Robbie Gordon dosen't.
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Long story. Needed a second set of wheels. Walker Evans has a Contingency Program, Robbie Gordon dosen't.
Just making sure it wasnt a quality/design issue.
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Both wheels are very high quality. We beat the crap out both of them and have never had a problem.
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They are both very good wheels. There are advantages and disadvantages to each:

Robby Gordon Wheels

Upside - Lightweight, not everyone has them, flawless performance.

Downside - Availability is bad, foriegn made, fixed backspacing, finish.


Walker Evans Wheels

Upside - Bling bling finish, backspacing options, beadlock options, top notch craftsmanship, flawless performance, bolt pattern options, American made (17" wheels).

Downside - Everyone owns them because they are the best, heavy.

In my opinion, the extra weight of a Walker Evans wheel is not really a bad thing. Why put on light weight wheels and aluminum knuckles to fill your tires with water or sand?
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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With exception of the ring and center design, the Robby's and Walker's look identical... Exact same inner lip, outer lip, safety bead, shell and so on... I'd bet money that they're being manufactured under the same roof. The main differences were mostly covered by SR. The Walker has less voids and a thicker center which makes it heavier. Walker uses steel inserts, Robby threads the bolt right into the rim. Walker's ring is machined for the 10 or 15 degrees of ring deflection that the bolt heads see, Robby's surface mount. I had both and stuck with the Walkers (polished BLING ), but they're both quality pieces. I CAN say this about the way Walker does business... He TAKES CARE of the issue should one arise... Randy is a big part of that.

BTW- I believe that all of the WE wheels are being made overseas at this point.

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Well Red bull, yes the inner tire rolling over the inside bead.

Grantit, they where only run twice 37" Krawlers Reds at 5 Psi.

But most importantly guys, The burping, is what I was referring to from what my buddies have told me.

So run them at 8-10psi, and I should be golden.

Anymore thoughts? Anyone using Glue to stop the burp?
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:02 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The glue won't hold and will avctually piss off people dismounting the tires later and be more aof a hassle thatn it is worth. If you're not a competitor, don't sweat a couple pounds more air, you'll do fine, especially with the comp compound. Also, you'll find it saves wear on your axles/joints/steering. If you get to a place where you need a little more traction, air down temporarally, then air back up while you watch your freinds struggle up the obstacle ;-)
Have fun wheeling! Aslo, are you sure your guage is bang on??? I've seen many reading 6 psi and they only had 1-2...same goes the other way...compare it to three others and see, cause that could be a silly answer to a perplexing problem.
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Walker Evans Wheels

Upside - Bling bling finish, backspacing options, beadlock options, top notch craftsmanship, flawless performance, bolt pattern options, American made (17" wheels).

Downside - Everyone owns them because they are the best, heavy.
The last couple of sets I have seen had stamped on them "Made in China" (17" Wheels)
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I ran 37" krawlers and walkers. Burped air out of the inner bead as many as 5 or 6 times per outing! I put on some 3m weatherstrip adhesive and that would work for as many as 2 outings with no burping.

I now have 42" iroks. I have not burped a single inner bead since I got them about 7 months ago.
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Walker Wheels are different from most other wheels when it comes to the inside bead. Most other wheels have a small rib near the outer bead. The tire must be slid over the lip when the tire seats. The idea of the lip is to prevent the tire from backing off when run at low pressures.

Walker wheels do not just have a small lip, there is a setup in size over a larger section of the back of the wheel. This makes it a little harder to mount and seat tires but works much better for rock crawling than other wheels. When running low pressures and you push inner tire bead in, the tire does not fall off the inner bead lip like normal wheels. The tire has to come in about 2 inches before it will fall off the mounting ledge. This gives a mush larger safety margin before loosing major air. The Walker wheels will hold air on the inner bead better than most other wheel designs.

Also Walker Wheels are cast in China and are machined in the USA.
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Yes, the inner saftey bead is about an inch wide.

Easier seen in this pic;
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