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Old 12-15-2005, 11:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1/2" Tab for D ring?

will this be sufficient or shoould i double up tabs (1")
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Old 12-15-2005, 11:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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will this be sufficient or shoould i double up tabs (1")
if you can, why not?

is that just surface welded?

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Old 12-16-2005, 01:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I definately wouldnt hook my truck to it.
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Old 12-16-2005, 01:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I`d be more worried about it being welded properly to your bumper than making it 1" over 1/2". It looks cold but it's pretty hard to tell painted, looks "gooped" on. 1" or 1/2" wont matter if you can't get good penetratin.

I`d also worry more about the strength of the bumper than the mount now, is it 3/16" or 1/4". If it was 3/16" I`d have a problem pulling from there because I have seen 3/16" pull apart.

I`ve never done a mount like that in fear of having to do some serious pulls and ripping it off... but if I had to do something like that I would go through the bumper weld the back and front. I like to be extra safe. (possibly put a slot in it and slide a piece of something thrugh it in the back and weldt hat up too.. extra safe lol)
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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i am not a pro at welding but as others had posted just make sure it is supported on the back side of the bumper,
if not it will rip the shit out and at the worst possable time.
try fixing it to the frame.
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Old 12-16-2005, 08:10 AM   #6 (permalink)
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the 1/2" should be fine as long as the welds are strong. hard to tell from the pic but it looks like the weld might be undercut a bit. like others have said make sure it goes all the way thru the bumper welded front and back. also cant tell if thats just formed sheet or rectangle tube. if its just sheet, i wouldnt pull on it.
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I've seen half inch tabs bent from off angle pulls, I'd go thicker. Better to use a tab the same width as the opening in the shackle.
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Old 12-16-2005, 09:08 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I would not pull off of that
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Old 12-16-2005, 09:32 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Old 12-16-2005, 09:42 AM   #10 (permalink)
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from your other thread, do not use these tabs, it will break. Also, you do not need to post the same thing twice....

this is a picture from the rear:


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Old 12-16-2005, 09:50 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I would not pull off that without it being doubled up.

Is that bumper only held on with 4 bolts? The back of the wrangler frame is thin at best. I would definetly use all 8 bolts with backing on them for support.
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thanks for all the help guys. after thinking my whole design over, im a little ashamed at my "underengineering". i'll post pics after revision number one. heres what im thinking:
-running a piece of 3/16" plate the length of the rear of the frame
-2 1/2" tabs doubled up running to both sides of the bumper, using a break to bend each at 90* to get some surface area to weld to on the back of it.
-at least one more bolt on the face a little lower and towards the middle of the bumper more
-a tab runing from the bolt on the bottom of the frame to the edge of the bumper
anything else?
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:27 AM   #13 (permalink)
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mount them verticle so you can pull from all angles!
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:29 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:30 AM   #15 (permalink)
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man, do not be ashamed, the rest of the bumper overall looks like very clean build and fab. I just would not trust the mounts for pullinmg your rig as it is right now, could hurt you or someone else in the case you had to use it, a bad way to find out.

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so what do you think if my revision plans-comments?
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:34 AM   #17 (permalink)
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DOes your welder have the capacity and or the person operating it have the skill where YOU would trust it so you wouldn't die.
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my welding is sufficient (dare i say better than average )

i trust my welding but after reading your responses its my design that worries me
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:59 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Ok, if you CAN'T go through the bumper you could always add some 1/4 gussets to each side top and bottom.. it`ll be be ghetto but spread the welding area over the bumper so its not pulling from one cencentrated area, also help for side loads. Just an idea heh.
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no i'm going to. did you read this?
thanks for all the help guys. after thinking my whole design over, im a little ashamed at my "underengineering". i'll post pics after revision number one. heres what im thinking:
-running a piece of 3/16" plate the length of the rear of the frame
-2 1/2" tabs doubled up running to both sides of the bumper, using a break to bend each at 90* to get some surface area to weld to on the back of it.
-at least one more bolt on the face a little lower and towards the middle of the bumper more
-a tab runing from the bolt on the bottom of the frame to the edge of the bumper
anything else?


these are my planned revisions
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:40 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I've got mine going through 1/2 1018 steel, no problems at all, but mine are welded using two passes around the entire perimeter of a 1/2" by 3" tab. The tab is welded down to a piece of 3 1/2" square flat steel, 1/4" thick. The flat stock is then welded to the bumper (made of 1/8" wall 2x4 box).

I have stalled out numerous winches pulling against them, as well as stalling my own m8000 when doubled over against a snatch block back to the D ring. I've never had it bend or break.

My rig is only about 3000 - 3500 lbs worth of a zuk (totally stripped & tubed on yota axles) so your TJ with a bunch of bolt-on heavy shit my have more problems.

These are the best pics I have, you can sorta make out the tab on the bumper



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Old 12-16-2005, 12:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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how about getting some of those D shaped rings with the half round piece that holds them on. I've never had problems with them. plus, then nobody could take them when your wheelin at the mall.
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Alrighty then might PBB gods..................What's the preffered way of mounting pull points to your rig??

I've been tossing around severy different ideas and haven't had anything wow me. Here's my idea below.

Taking a piece of 1/2" flat stock, welding the tab to that. Drilling it out for roset welds. Cutting a hole in the exsisting bumper for the tab to slip thru, roset welding the flat stock to the backside of the bumper, and welding the tab along the front side. When it's all said it done it would look just like the one pictured above except it would spread the load over the bumper a little better.

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Old 12-16-2005, 12:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Get some short ones to weld next to the long ones or put two long ones together.
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Get some short ones to weld next to the long ones or put two long ones together.
Pics don't load in FireFox

Anyway, loaded in IE.

Or you coul djust make one out of 1"
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