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Old 08-01-2016, 01:42 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Hi hi! What size are the 4 bolts that you need for that steering shaft cover? Had an incident where they disappeared due to an angry child. Thanks!
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:22 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Great write up.
I used it for my recent rebuild.

However, I've had some issues after install.

Anyone have any ideas?

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/newbi...-problems.html
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Old 09-30-2016, 11:07 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Yeah, this is really important. When I had mine apart to do the hydro assist mod, I didn't have one of these pins aligned or set fully or something. This is what happens:



(edge is all scored up, and this pin is broken off and recessed into the lip)



(where the pin was supposed to go, where it ended up)



Of course the box worked fine on the bench. Then I reinstalled it, plumbed all the lines, bled the fluid through, and started the truck. The spool valve apparently got jammed open to the left pressure port so the wheels immediately cut hard to the side and got pinned there, sent the pump into bypass mode, and made all sorts of horrible sounds.

This writeup would have made the job a lot easier the first time through. Thanks a lot for doing this, I searched for quite a while to try and find the rebuild procedure for one of these and nothing had the detail of this thread.
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Old 10-31-2016, 09:12 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Just used this thread to rebuild my power steering box. So thought I would contribute something to the discussion as my "payment" for getting such good information.

A number of people have asked why half of the balls are smaller than the other half. (BTW: my steering box had 22 balls) Here is why....

See the attached photo.

In a rolling ball bearing, it is important to not let adjacent, load bearing elements rub against each other. If adjacent loaded balls are allowed to touch while in operation, they rub against each other and wear out very quickly. See the top image in the picture. Normally, roller or ball bearing elements are separated by a "cage" that prevents this.

But in the design of the steering box with the helical cut in the shaft, it is not possible to have a fixed cage like in roller/ball bearings. So what they did was to put in a smaller ball, that does not carry the steering load, in order to prevent rubbing of load bearing elements. See the second image in the picture. You can see that the smaller adjacent balls have their surfaces turning in the same direction as the load bearing balls. Thus, they do not "rub" and create friction of the loaded balls. The smaller, unloaded balls, act as the "cage' for the loaded balls.

Pretty damned ingenious, if you ask me. Somebody probably came up with this 100 years ago and it's still good today!!!

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Old 07-03-2017, 04:54 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Another victim to photobucket
I saved all the photos (from photobucket - before they are lost forever) and put everything into a PDF. I'll link here for others to use.

SaginawRebuild.pdf - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11jb...ew?usp=sharing

(I could also "publish" to here from my Google Drive if anyone would like to see the photos here.)

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Old 07-04-2017, 10:19 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Thank you. It's great material.
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I saved all the photos (from photobucket - before they are lost forever) and put everything into a PDF. I'll link here for others to use.

SaginawRebuild.pdf - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11jb...ew?usp=sharing

(I could also "publish" to here from my Google Drive if anyone would like to see the photos here on the web.)
Great save, thanks!
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I saved all the photos (from photobucket - before they are lost forever) and put everything into a PDF. I'll link here for others to use.

SaginawRebuild.pdf - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11jb...ew?usp=sharing

(I could also "publish" to here from my Google Drive if anyone would like to see the photos here.)


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Old 07-13-2017, 08:39 AM   #85 (permalink)
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I saved all the photos (from photobucket - before they are lost forever) and put everything into a PDF. I'll link here for others to use.

SaginawRebuild.pdf - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11jb...ew?usp=sharing

(I could also "publish" to here from my Google Drive if anyone would like to see the photos here.)
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Old 07-15-2017, 04:13 PM   #86 (permalink)
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This will come in handy, thanks!
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I saved all the photos (from photobucket - before they are lost forever) and put everything into a PDF. I'll link here for others to use.

SaginawRebuild.pdf - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11jb...ew?usp=sharing

(I could also "publish" to here from my Google Drive if anyone would like to see the photos here.)
awesome man thanks. I would suggest imgur for any future photo hosting
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Whew. I was just getting ready to do this just book marked this a few months ago. Thanks jb4x4.
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Great write up.

I made a spanner wrench to remove the steering shaft as mine must have been put together with some sort of thread sealant. As it was a bitch to get loose.

I took an old Crescent wrench and drilled two 3/16" holes I then used some rod to complete the wrench. I ended up smacking one end of the rod with a hammer to deform it. This allowed me to tap it into the wrench and make a tight fit so they would not fall out.

To drill the tool steel I used an ARTU drill bit from OSH.

The end result looks like so, but this is a web pic I found.



Best part is the wrench goes in the tool bag along with a couple pins just incase its needed on the trail.
Brilliant!
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I saved all the photos (from photobucket - before they are lost forever) and put everything into a PDF. I'll link here for others to use.

SaginawRebuild.pdf - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11jb...ew?usp=sharing

(I could also "publish" to here from my Google Drive if anyone would like to see the photos here.)
Thank you! I came here to review this for a somewhat emergency rebuild and was ticked to find Photobucket's dicking the Internet yet again!

Onya for doing this!
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