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Old 12-09-2018, 07:31 AM   #3651 (permalink)
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I did some rockauto-surfing and I believe I found a unit bearing to get the 8x6.5 bolt pattern, but no locking hubs. Although, that's one less thing to break or to buy.

2009-2011 Dodge Ram 2500/3500. Can anyone confirm?
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It's dimensionally different everywhere, and it uses internal splines
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It's dimensionally different everywhere, and it uses internal splines
Same hub pilot diameter, same mounting bolt pattern as far as I can see in rockauto.

By the way newer Rams run 1550 wheel joints too.
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I did some rockauto-surfing and I believe I found a unit bearing to get the 8x6.5 bolt pattern, but no locking hubs. Although, that's one less thing to break or to buy.

2009-2011 Dodge Ram 2500/3500. Can anyone confirm?
You talking for 99-04 or 05+ outers?
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You talking for 99-04 or 05+ outers?
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You talking for 99-04 or 05+ outers?
05+
Oh ok, I was gonna drag my 99 knuckle to Napa and have them grab one to see, but I don't have any 05 stuff laying around.

Even if it does have the same bolt pattern, bore and space between the two mounting surfaces, I think you're still going to be stuck with a custom 33 spline stub. Kind of interesting though

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They are the same except for how the axle splines to it. Ram just splines the shaft in and uses a nut on it.

Random info, the 5500 10 lug stuff is also the same unit bearing as the 2500/3500 8 lug, it's just drilled for 10 lug....
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Oh ok, I was gonna drag my 99 knuckle to Napa and have them grab one to see, but I don't have any 05 stuff laying around.

Even if it does have the same bolt pattern, bore and space between the two mounting surfaces, I think you're still going to be stuck with a custom 33 spline stub. Kind of interesting though
94-08 rams 33 spline, 09-?? Use 35 spline.

Id imagine one of unit bearings used in 94-08 rams may fit

Actually, I just looked it up. Looks like there’s three potential unit bearings (2000-2002, 2003-2005 and 2006-2008) that will bolt right in ford knuckles. Same bolt mounting pattern/spacing, same pilot diameter.

Please find out and let us know

By the way 33 spline is ~1.41” which is only ~0.07” smaller than 35 spline

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Oh ok, I was gonna drag my 99 knuckle to Napa and have them grab one to see, but I don't have any 05 stuff laying around.

Even if it does have the same bolt pattern, bore and space between the two mounting surfaces, I think you're still going to be stuck with a custom 33 spline stub. Kind of interesting though
94-08 rams 33 spline, 09-?? Use 35 spline.

Id imagine one of unit bearings used in 94-08 rams may fit

Actually, I just looked it up. Looks like there’s three potential unit bearings (2000-2002, 2003-2005 and 2006-2008) that will bolt right in ford knuckles. Same bolt mounting pattern/spacing, same pilot diameter.

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Very interesting, wasn't aware of the change to 35 spline either. The 33 spline UB might be helpful for the axle I'm building, will have to do some more research. Thanks for the info
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By the way 33 spline is ~1.41” which is only ~0.07” smaller than 35 spline
Yeah if using the 33 spline Dodge UB in the 99-04 knuckle with a factory Dodge stub shaft still placed the u joint in line with the king pin axis that would be perfect for my build. Use the Dodge UB for 8x6.5 to match the 14 bolt, could just use a Yukon 4340 stub shaft instead of custom, and the 33 spline might be a better fuse than the 35 for my D50 R&P.

I'll have to try and find a UB and stub shaft to mock it up and see
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I like my TTBs but I'm finally coming to terms with the fact that IFS is overkill for the kind of wheeling I do and a dead simple solid axle would be better from a reliability and maintenance point of view.

So has anyone shortened one of these and put it in a TTB Ranger?

I did some Googling but couldn't find any pics or anyone using a shortened axle. Most people swapping are staying full width. I'm mostly convened with how deeply I can stuff the D60 housing up in the crossmember and how much up-travel I can get from a stock-ish ride height.

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All of mine are narrowed 4"s on the passenger side, which gets it really close to the pre super duty 60 widths.

The diff offset on a Ranger with a narrowed axle would most likely require complete crossmember removal to clear. As well you'll probably won't be able to use the frame location of the coil springs on the axle.
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All of mine are narrowed 4"s on the passenger side, which gets it really close to the pre super duty 60 widths.

The diff offset on a Ranger with a narrowed axle would most likely require complete crossmember removal to clear. As well you'll probably won't be able to use the frame location of the coil springs on the axle.
Seems like there's plenty of space available if one were to ditch the OE radius arm and coil setup. Of course the cross-member would have to be trimmed to stuff the bigger D60 housing up into it but I don't see why the whole thing would need to be ditched. It might just be a case of stick the axle in there and cut out anything that's in the way.

Edit: Ranger has a front WMS width of just under 60". I'd be shooting for ~64-66" meaning I'd need to remove 6-8" of tube.
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That top image in a 10 lug extra wide version.
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That top image in a 10 lug extra wide version.
I didn't realize there was a wider version. That's what I get for not reading everything from the last 6yr.

How much room is there between the inner C and the stock diff housing? As long as you're not planning to swing massive tires from lock to lock I think some of that short tube can be eliminated.

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I didn't realize there was a wider version. That's what I get for not reading everything from the last 6yr.

How much room is there between the inner C and the stock diff housing? As long as you're not planning to swing massive tires from lock to lock I think some of that short tube can be eliminated.
Here is a picture of a 2008 Ford D60 AFTER I trimmed 2" off the housing to install the Artec Super 60 Swap kit.



As you can see there isn't much room.



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I didn't realize there was a wider version. That's what I get for not reading everything from the last 6yr.

How much room is there between the inner C and the stock diff housing? As long as you're not planning to swing massive tires from lock to lock I think some of that short tube can be eliminated.
regular 05+ superduty d60 has almost no tube on the short side


wide track version has a few more inches on the short side
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Here is a picture of a 2008 Ford D60 AFTER I trimmed 2" off the housing to install the Artec Super 60 Swap kit.



As you can see there isn't much room.



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I like my TTBs but I'm finally coming to terms with the fact that IFS is overkill for the kind of wheeling I do and a dead simple solid axle would be better from a reliability and maintenance point of view.

So has anyone shortened one of these and put it in a TTB Ranger?

I did some Googling but couldn't find any pics or anyone using a shortened axle. Most people swapping are staying full width. I'm mostly convened with how deeply I can stuff the D60 housing up in the crossmember and how much up-travel I can get from a stock-ish ride height.
Here’s a thread of ttb crossmember delete. If you do this swap do a build thread especially if your running radius arms. I haven’t found anything yet.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/ford...er-delete.html

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regular 05+ superduty d60 has almost no tube on the short side


wide track version has a few more inches on the short side
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How much casting can you trim off before your into the plug welds on the short side? The earlier 80-97 housings it was about 1.25” which allowed for a link mount or radius arm mount.
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Sorry, The pics work for me.

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How much casting can you trim off before your into the plug welds on the short side? The earlier 80-97 housings it was about 1.25” which allowed for a link mount or radius arm mount.
For the 05+ housing you can trim about 2" of the casting.


For the 99-04 housing you can trim about the same.
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Looks like "shove the 60 in there and build a cross-member around it" is the best way to get a 60 into a smaller vehicle.


Can anyone get me the distance from the WMS to the center of the stock coil perch and the center of the bump stop pad (for a normal width '05-'08 axle)? I read everything and couldn't find this info, granted I only skimmed the first 30 pages or so.
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Maybe I missed this & it's old news, but apparently Yukon now has 1550 blanks:

https://www.drivetrainamerica.com/yu...0-17-aam-9-25/

***NOT superduty, but at least they're tooled up for them, I can't imagine that the superduty are too far away from production.
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94-08 rams 33 spline, 09-?? Use 35 spline.

Id imagine one of unit bearings used in 94-08 rams may fit

Actually, I just looked it up. Looks like there’s three potential unit bearings (2000-2002, 2003-2005 and 2006-2008) that will bolt right in ford knuckles. Same bolt mounting pattern/spacing, same pilot diameter.

Please find out and let us know

By the way 33 spline is ~1.41” which is only ~0.07” smaller than 35 spline
The UB for an '08 F350 has a 140mm mounting pilot

The UB for a '10 Ram 3500 has a 120mm mounting pilot

The UB for an '02, '05 and an '08 Ram 3500 has a 113.8mm mounting pilot.

The UB for an '04 F350 has a 113.8mm mounting pilot.

'00-08 Dodge 8-lug unit bearings will bolt up to 99-04 SD knuckles. Some egging of holes may be required if the bolt circles are different but they will bolt up with minimal work.

I don't think there's an off the shelf UB that's 8x6.5 with a 140mm pilot.

I got all this info from looking at the Centric bearings on Rockauto.

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I did some checking and look like there’s two “group”

99-04 Ford and 00-08 Dodge with the same, smaller hub pilot diameter and same bolt pattern (4x5.5)

Then

05-16 ford and 09-??? Dodge, same bolt pattern (4x6.5) but dodge have 20mm smaller hub pilot diameter. And dodge is like 1/4” more offset between flanges.
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I did some checking and look like there’s two “group”

99-04 Ford and 00-08 Dodge with the same, smaller hub pilot diameter and same bolt pattern (4x5.5)

Then

05-16 ford and 09-??? Dodge, same bolt pattern (4x6.5) but dodge have 20mm smaller hub pilot diameter. And dodge is like 1/4” more offset between flanges.
I didn't check the mounting bolt patterns but if they're the same then a ring of 140x10mm aluminum should solve that.
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Building my axles so that I can SAS my '99 Ranger and I wanted to get opinions. Part of my goal with this build is "Build it once" so here's my question. 06' axle came with the 1480 joints and they are in pretty good shape. Would it be worth the $375 or so to go ahead and buy the 1550 joints?

Specs for the rig are fairly mild 4.0(to be upgraded to 5.8 in the future), AT, 1354 TC, 5.38 gears, Truetrac ft/Grizzly locker rear, 39-42" tires.

Rig will be used for exploring, and what most of you would consider mild wheeling. Kind of a big gay mall crawler that can survive being used without falling apart. I can't see ever being able to break 1480 joints but........
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Could only find 05+ specs.

Are the 99-04 F450/550 2wd mono tube knuckles the same as 4x4 ?
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