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Old 02-18-2019, 01:53 AM   #3801 (permalink)
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Any one have the leads to the factory 1550 shaft assembly's for cheap? I remember seeing them in this thread but that could of easily been 100 pages ago


This is where I got mine.

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Old 02-18-2019, 08:41 AM   #3802 (permalink)
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This was posted very early in here. Not knuckles but still really show the size difference.
While I'm not disputing the strength of the 05+ axle, keep in mind that a Kingpin style inner-c will always be smaller since the knuckle attaches to it on the outside of the inner-c at both the top and bottom. On the BJ style knuckles, the BJ are both below the inner-c contact points so it inherently must have a larger C.

Still, the BJ separation is larger than the KP separation. But just keep it in mind.
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Any one have the leads to the factory 1550 shaft assembly's for cheap? I remember seeing them in this thread but that could of easily been 100 pages ago
Drivetrain America carries them too when they are available.
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While I'm not disputing the strength of the 05+ axle, keep in mind that a Kingpin style inner-c will always be smaller since the knuckle attaches to it on the outside of the inner-c at both the top and bottom. On the BJ style knuckles, the BJ are both below the inner-c contact points so it inherently must have a larger C.

Still, the BJ separation is larger than the KP separation. But just keep it in mind.
Correct but as you can see, the 05+ inner C is more beefy, especially the upper portion.

I want to note that All BJ D60s’ (except for 99-01 dodge’s bastardized D60s) both upper & lower carry the weight while KP is only on lower. (Keep that in mind with those upper ball joint eliminator kits )
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Any one have the leads to the factory 1550 shaft assembly's for cheap? I remember seeing them in this thread but that could of easily been 100 pages ago
Everyone has been sold out for about 4-5 months now. Fusion said they would be making chromo sometime this year.

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Old 02-18-2019, 10:29 AM   #3806 (permalink)
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Correct but as you can see, the 05+ inner C is more beefy, especially the upper portion.

I want to note that All BJ D60s’ (except for 99-01 dodge’s bastardized D60s) both upper & lower carry the weight while KP is only on lower. (Keep that in mind with those upper ball joint eliminator kits )
Yep, and your second sentence also explains why the upper portion of the 05+ is so much beefier than the KP inner-c - the KP inner C carries all of the vehicle weight on the lower section of the inner-c. The upper kingpin is only there for alignment.

Anywho, this is mostly just a PSA / FYI for those reading. Don't go throwing your Kingpin axles in the scrap bin just because of the inner-C size

Other reasons... maybe
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Correct but as you can see, the 05+ inner C is more beefy, especially the upper portion.

I want to note that All BJ D60s’ (except for 99-01 dodge’s bastardized D60s) both upper & lower carry the weight while KP is only on lower. (Keep that in mind with those upper ball joint eliminator kits )
Neither mine or Nicks kit have had a documented failure. We would have seen one by now if there was something we both overlooked during designing them. One kit has adjustability, the other does not. Both are designed differently and work very well. We have both made adjustments to our kits to cater to our customers and I follow up regularly with a few selective ones to get feedback/updates on performance.

2 weeks ago a bouncer running my kit broke a drivers side stub shaft, which somehow either backed off the nut/broke the top off the lower BJ (not sure which happened 1st). The upper took ALL the stress when it came down hard with his right foot down and it did exactly what it was designed to do. The expensive parts like the 300m u-joint and inner shaft yolk was saved. That's the exact reason I used bearing bronze in the racing/bouncer applications because it's strong enough to survive and it won't put all the stress on the top of the steering knuckle, possibly breaking it. The assembly held together and the bronze bushing took a beating and was removed to put another in.
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2 weeks ago a bouncer running my kit broke a drivers side stub shaft, which somehow either backed off the nut/broke the top off the lower BJ (not sure which happened 1st). The upper took ALL the stress when it came down hard with his right foot down and it did exactly what it was designed to do. The expensive parts like the 300m u-joint and inner shaft yolk was saved. That's the exact reason I used bearing bronze in the racing/bouncer applications because it's strong enough to survive and it won't put all the stress on the top of the steering knuckle, possibly breaking it. The assembly held together and the bronze bushing took a beating and was removed to put another in.
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I didn't bother to take pics, but should've. In my kit the bronze bushing exits the inner C and runs approx 1" to 3/4" to the outer steering knuckle. The bushing had been tweaked towards the axle and it put a slight ridge on the bronze right where it exited the bottom side of the knuckle. It was just enough to where it couldn't be smacked back up thru the C. The top part of the bushing (where the flange is) was cut off and the remaining portion was punched out the bottom side. New bushing went it, reassembled and was good to go.
On almost every pic of a bent/failed upper BJ customers have sent me the shank is bent right where it exits the stock bushing. Most of them are bent backwards from taking hard hits because of the radial load the upper shank sees. The 99-04 and 05+ use the same upper BJ, but the difference is the height of the knuckle on the 05+ axles lessens the stress on that upper. I see them both bending, but more 99-04's overall. Everyone's building bigger stuff with more horsepower and driving with wreckless abandon, so I guarantee I'll see just as many 05+ develop upper problems.

I had 2 customers run the 3* bronze bushing kits at KOH without issues/failures.
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Everyone has been sold out for about 4-5 months now. Fusion said they would be making chromo sometime this year.

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https://www.fusion4x4.com/online-sto...350-p112565271

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not sure what the deal is on these but came across them in a search

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https://www.yukongear.com/productdet...x?ProdID=13473
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Those are 1480 u joint shafts, I called and asked them about those awhile back. I ended up going 300m rcv after all the dead ends trying to get shafts. Dynatrac wont even make custom length inner shafts. The ouversons were a no go because they only make stubs that engage the unit bearing directly and I'm not doing that on something that sees plenty of road miles. They cost big money, but I didn't even want to think about needing spares.
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Those are 1480 u joint shafts, I called and asked them about those awhile back. I ended up going 300m rcv after all the dead ends trying to get shafts. Dynatrac wont even make custom length inner shafts. The ouversons were a no go because they only make stubs that engage the unit bearing directly and I'm not doing that on something that sees plenty of road miles. They cost big money, but I didn't even want to think about needing spares.
yea they kinda looked like 1480 and theres no technical info what so ever so thats why i said i wasnt sure what the deal is on them
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yea they kinda looked like 1480 and theres no technical info what so ever so thats why i said i wasnt sure what the deal is on them
The year range kind of gave it away, since they're "direct replacements for 05-12", but it definitely wasn't explicitly stated.
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Thinking about building something like a 609 hybrid, wondering if 2WD F550 axle would be good place to start. Those are the same as the 4WD 450/550 fatboy knuckles? What parts would be needed to convert outers to 4WD? And is anybody making 9" housing center-sections for 3.75" tube, or would have to buy something for 4" and sleeve tubes to fit? Ideally looking for a compact center housing, for front axle, so drivetrain/chassis clearance is a big factor.
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I didn't bother to take pics, but should've. In my kit the bronze bushing exits the inner C and runs approx 1" to 3/4" to the outer steering knuckle. The bushing had been tweaked towards the axle and it put a slight ridge on the bronze right where it exited the bottom side of the knuckle. It was just enough to where it couldn't be smacked back up thru the C. The top part of the bushing (where the flange is) was cut off and the remaining portion was punched out the bottom side. New bushing went it, reassembled and was good to go.
On almost every pic of a bent/failed upper BJ customers have sent me the shank is bent right where it exits the stock bushing. Most of them are bent backwards from taking hard hits because of the radial load the upper shank sees. The 99-04 and 05+ use the same upper BJ, but the difference is the height of the knuckle on the 05+ axles lessens the stress on that upper. I see them both bending, but more 99-04's overall. Everyone's building bigger stuff with more horsepower and driving with wreckless abandon, so I guarantee I'll see just as many 05+ develop upper problems.

I had 2 customers run the 3* bronze bushing kits at KOH without issues/failures.

Do you have a link to your kit? I bent my rf upper ball joint stud last weekend and need to take it apart. Figured I'd look into an eliminator kit.
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Thinking about building something like a 609 hybrid, wondering if 2WD F550 axle would be good place to start. Those are the same as the 4WD 450/550 fatboy knuckles? What parts would be needed to convert outers to 4WD? And is anybody making 9" housing center-sections for 3.75" tube, or would have to buy something for 4" and sleeve tubes to fit? Ideally looking for a compact center housing, for front axle, so drivetrain/chassis clearance is a big factor.
Just machine the tubes to 3.5" ID and weld onto a 3.5" housing.



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Any one have the leads to the factory 1550 shaft assembly's for cheap? I remember seeing them in this thread but that could of easily been 100 pages ago
downtofab.com has a few short sides in stock. I am told the long sides will be back in stock real soon!
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Just machine the tubes to 3.5" ID and weld onto a 3.5" housing.




What size tires are you running?

My '99 Ranger is at the shop getting '06 F350SRW axles now . Yesterday we mounted my 39X12.50R17's and seeing how much ground clearance I had is awesome . With hybrid axles like yours I'd be able to drive over the heads of small children!
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Do you have a link to your kit? I bent my rf upper ball joint stud last weekend and need to take it apart. Figured I'd look into an eliminator kit.
Late seeing your post, i apologize. All of the info on my kit is in the vendor section. If you wanna PM me I can get you additional pics of it and get you any information you need. I exclusively sell kits thru Pirate and FB now because they get more traffic than websites without all the hassle of updating, ect......at least for now that's how I'm doing things.

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Know all the info is probably buried in here somewhere, but am having a hard time finding it, and looking at WMS, seeing a few different numbers have been posted, so want to ask and confirm:

1) Looks like most agree 250/350 are ~72" and 450/550 are ~78" after installing 8-lug unit bearings?

2) Axle tube diameter is 3.75" for 450/550, what about 250/350?

3) All knuckles are the same, or are different castings but will all fit 1550 shafts? Does that include 2WD 450/550 knuckles?

4) What is the distance from inner knuckle where tube is welded to WMS?

5) what is the angle of the ball-joint inclination and distance from u-joints centerline to WMS?

6) What is the centerline to pinion distance?

7) What are the lengths of the 250/350 & 450/550 long-side shafts? Wondering where would end up if we're to start with 450/550 housing and cut down long side to use 250/350 shaft.

8) saw in another thread that 16.5 HMMWV wheels (not re-centered) will not fit, wondering if they would clear the steering knuckle though, if might be able to solve that problem with custom brakes?
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Does anyone know if 99-04 knuckles out will fit 92-97 Ford D60 housing?
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What size tires are you running?

My '99 Ranger is at the shop getting '06 F350SRW axles now . Yesterday we mounted my 39X12.50R17's and seeing how much ground clearance I had is awesome . With hybrid axles like yours I'd be able to drive over the heads of small children!
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May have been noted somewhere in this thread, but does anyone have the part # for the inner axle seals for an 05+ axle handy? I'm needing to replace them. This is just the standard F-250/350 axle FWIW.

Edit: I think it is part # 2C3Z-3254-AA, but just want to make sure before buying some.

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May have been noted somewhere in this thread, but does anyone have the part # for the inner axle seals for an 05+ axle handy? I'm needing to replace them. This is just the standard F-250/350 axle FWIW.

Edit: I think it is part # 2C3Z-3254-AA, but just want to make sure before buying some.
thats an old number, new number for the inner oil seals is EC3Z-3254-A
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