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Old 08-09-2019, 01:34 PM   #4026 (permalink)
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You missed my point, retro-grouch. Most folks know that OEM, in this thread, is not referring to original equipment. Other folks have pointed this out, earlier. So, OEM has more than one meaning, these days. Get over it.

I have followed this thread for probably 8 years. I have heard the name Ouverson many times. I have never heard of them referred to as OEM except these last few posts. In fact, in all these years, I never knew their full name because nobody uses it. Please show me the quote where "other folks" are useing it. If you want to type in code, fine. But don't feed me a line of bull that it's common.

The axles we referenced never had 1480 Ujoints. You made that comparison and no your 1550 factory axles are not as strong as what was posted. Not once was a 1480 Ujoint from OEM, discussed. The shafts posted were 40 spline inners and had CP750n Ujoints that fit into those giant outer stubs.

All SD axles had 1480 stuff in them untill the OEM upgraded to 1550. 1480 joints have been discussed many times.

No one purchased a 1480 Ujoint from Ouverson to mate with their axle set. The money spent on that bling was for the CP750n Ujoints in the Ouverson axles with the big outer stub or spent on a Big bell RCV axle.

Many people have bought upgraded 1480 joints for their stock axles. Where have you been?

You completely missed the facts.

How is a factory 1550 Ujoint stronger than a CP750n? That was the point of my post and the information provided in it.

Look again at the specs of the CP750n Ujoint. I screenshot them and they are in the first pic of my prior post. It’s much bigger on all measurements then the 1550 Ujoint you keep chattering about.

I never said a 1550 is stronger than a CP750. I said it's stronger than any manufacturers 1480 joint. When I said that, I was actually saying it as a question. Bebop seems to think a 1480 300m is stronger than a OEM 1550. I would like to see some data on that.


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If you need a strength scale it would be (from weakest to strongest):

1) 35sp Ford 1480 shafts
2) 35sp Ford 1550 shafts
3) 35sp 4340 1480 shafts + 1480 300M u-joints
4) 35sp 300M 1480 shafts + 1480 300M u-joints
5) 40sp RCV shafts + RCV 300M Big bells AND/OR 40p Ouverson shafts + Ouverson 300M CP750n u-joints.

Do you have any data or reference to support that scale?
Does anyone even make a chromo or 300m 1550 shaft yet? If not then stock 1550 vs a 300m 1480 is kind of useless since the ears are just going to egg out on the 1550 shaft.

And quit using green text, I'm only 21 and it makes my eyes hurt to try and read that shit
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Does anyone even make a chromo or 300m 1550 shaft yet? If not then stock 1550 vs a 300m 1480 is kind of useless since the ears are just going to egg out on the 1550 shaft.

And quit using green text, I'm only 21 and it makes my eyes hurt to try and read that shit
On a stock 1480/stock shafts, I assume the joint is the weak link. (I could be wrong) If you put a after market joint in, probably the shaft is the weak link. If you changed to stock 1550/stock shaft, Not sure what would be the weak link, but I'm sure it's much stronger.
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I never said a 1550 is stronger than a CP750. I said it's stronger than any manufacturers 1480 joint. When I said that, I was actually saying it as a question. Bebop seems to think a 1480 300m is stronger than a OEM 1550. I would like to see some data on that.




Do you have any data or reference to support that scale?
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Does anyone even make a chromo or 300m 1550 shaft yet? If not then stock 1550 vs a 300m 1480 is kind of useless since the ears are just going to egg out on the 1550 shaft.

And quit using green text, I'm only 21 and it makes my eyes hurt to try and read that shit
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On a stock 1480/stock shafts, I assume the joint is the weak link. (I could be wrong) If you put a after market joint in, probably the shaft is the weak link. If you changed to stock 1550/stock shaft, Not sure what would be the weak link, but I'm sure it's much stronger.


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Old 08-10-2019, 01:17 PM   #4029 (permalink)
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Wait. All 15+ superduty 60s have 1550 joints ??
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Wait. All 15+ superduty 60s have 1550 joints ??
not unless you buy replacement shafts, then they will be


waterhorse is just one of those retards that thinks he knows better than everyone else, and he pretends to come ask questions just so when you answer him he can try and correct you because, again, he thinks he knows better.


and fwiw to those that dont know the only difference between 1480 and 1550 shafts/joints is the distance between the ears/yokes, everything else is all the same.

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Old 08-10-2019, 02:36 PM   #4031 (permalink)
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not unless you buy replacement shafts, then they will be


waterhorse is just one of those retards that thinks he knows better than everyone else, and he pretends to come ask questions just so when you answer him he can try and correct you because, again, he thinks he knows better.


and fwiw to those that dont know the only difference between 1480 and 1550 shafts/joints is the distance between the ears/yokes, everything else is all the same.

https://www.machineservice.com/produ...parts-catalog/
So your saying that differnce doesn't make it stronger?

How about we read this earlier post. Note the poster. LOL.

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the yukon shafts will be stronger, the yokes will be close as the 4340 is stronger but the wider 1550 yoke reduces the stress, and the 1480 u joints will be weaker than the 1550

go with the 1550, if they dont last then you can upgrade later down the road, multiple companies offer shafts and joints
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Old 08-10-2019, 02:58 PM   #4032 (permalink)
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Wait. All 15+ superduty 60s have 1550 joints ??
only in 4.56 and up
or wide track, I think all of those got them for the tighter steering angle
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Does anyone even make a chromo or 300m 1550 shaft yet? If not then stock 1550 vs a 300m 1480 is kind of useless since the ears are just going to egg out on the 1550 shaft.
The Dana/spicer Ultimate 60 shafts are 4340 alloy with a 1550 joint.
Dynatrac also has a alloy 1550 axle shaft forging now.
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So your saying that differnce doesn't make it stronger?

oh look retard boy is trying to argue again

its very clear what i said, you can read it again and again.

obviously the 1550 is stronger you fucking reject
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oh look retard boy is trying to argue again

its very clear what i said, you can read it again and again.

obviously the 1550 is stronger you fucking reject
So in one post you say there's no differnce except dimension and in another post you say it's stronger. Yea, that's clear. Why don't you make up your mind?

For the record, I believe the 1550 is considerably stronger thats what I've been saying it all along.
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Does anyone even make a chromo or 300m 1550 shaft yet? If not then stock 1550 vs a 300m 1480 is kind of useless since the ears are just going to egg out on the 1550 shaft.
The Dana/spicer Ultimate 60 shafts are 4340 alloy with a 1550 joint.
Dynatrac also has a alloy 1550 axle shaft forging now.
Good to know, I must have missed that earlier, thanks. Just picked up an 09 F350 dually with 1550s for my J10
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So in one post you say there's no differnce except dimension and in another post you say it's stronger. Yea, that's clear. Why don't you make up your mind?

For the record, I believe the 1550 is considerably stronger thats what I've been saying it all along.
its pretty fucking obvious that my statement about the only difference is the distance between the ears is to let people being confused by your onslaught of retarded ass fucking posts know thats the only strength increase. everything else about the shafts is equal, i wasnt implying that doesnt make it stronger. only an inbred fuckstain from floriduh would think thats what im implying

try actually adding something of value to this thread besides the most obvious thing possible

"i think 1550 is stronger then 1480" no fucking shit its stronger, thats what happens when you make a u joint bigger
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the dodge 1410 cv can do 30 degrees too not only 20 like that thread says

https://neapco.mycarparts.net/produc...pco-N924141HAG
https://neapco.mycarparts.net/produc...pco-N924143HAG ford thicker wall tubing
https://neapco.mycarparts.net/produc...pco-N924142HAG ford
https://neapco.mycarparts.net/products/Neapco-N924141G the dodge 20 degree



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if you want to buy it
https://www.drivetrainamerica.com/ne...cv-head-asmbl/

fwiw its not just a dodge part, its also a ford

theres 4 different 1410 cv joints
N924141G 20 degrees 3.12 pilot diameter dodge
N924141HAG 30 degrees 3.12 pilot diameter dodge
N924142HAG 30 degrees 2.68 pilot diameter ford
N924143HAG 30 degrees 2.68 pilot diameter ford

all have a 4.25 bolt pattern size
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why not get info straight from the manufacturer over speculating?

https://media.spicerparts.com/cfs/fi...s/tcfp0088.pdf
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Wait. All 15+ superduty 60s have 1550 joints ??
Since 17+ ALL SD60 axle shafts have 1550 ujoints AFAIK

They are backwards compatible (meaning you can put a set of 2018 shafts in a 2010 housing).
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Bebop seems to think a 1480 300m is stronger than a OEM 1550.
Reading... It's hard...


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oh look retard boy is trying to argue again

its very clear what i said, you can read it again and again.

obviously the 1550 is stronger you fucking reject
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its pretty fucking obvious that my statement about the only difference is the distance between the ears is to let people being confused by your onslaught of retarded ass fucking posts know thats the only strength increase. everything else about the shafts is equal, i wasnt implying that doesnt make it stronger. only an inbred fuckstain from floriduh would think thats what im implying

try actually adding something of value to this thread besides the most obvious thing possible

"i think 1550 is stronger then 1480" no fucking shit its stronger, thats what happens when you make a u joint bigger
Reading these kinds of posts is what gets me out of bed in the morning.
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Seems legit, but a wierd place to Ďcutí weight. Iíll have to get the some measurements of the neck down. Just seemed like a strange place to neck down, being within the unit bearing.
That's what I thought years ago when the pics of them first started coming out. I mentioned it then. But the plethora of highly-abused rigs using them since then have proven it to be a non-issue. I would no longer give it a second thought.
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its pretty fucking obvious that my statement about the only difference is the distance between the ears is to let people being confused by your onslaught of retarded ass fucking posts know thats the only strength increase. everything else about the shafts is equal, i wasnt implying that doesnt make it stronger. only an inbred fuckstain from floriduh would think thats what im implying

try actually adding something of value to this thread besides the most obvious thing possible

"i think 1550 is stronger then 1480" no fucking shit its stronger, thats what happens when you make a u joint bigger
Well I was implying that a 1550 is stronger than a 1480 of any make. I was not stating it as a fact. You come back and state the only differnce is dimension, as if to say I'm wrong. Otherwise why did you state it? Everybody allready knows it's bigger. How was that adding something of value?

I have to tell you all that name calling on the internet makes you sound like a face book teenager.

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Reading... It's hard...:
Bebop, I'm not suggesting your wrong. It is very possible that a aftermarket 1480 is stronger than a stock 1550. I just haven't seen any data to indicate that.

Even if you just say, "I've seen four stock 1550s break on a certain trail when a 300m 1480 sailed right through."

That doesn't make it gospel, but it means more than just someone on the net saying it's so.

Im sure why all the hostility.

My thought about this is even if the aftermarket 1480 is stronger, the axle as a whole could be weaker because there is more leverage on the yokes. This is with stock shafts. Of course, you could go with aftermarket shafts too, it alters it again. But now the cost really goes up.

My point is, let's say I have a stock 07' SD axle (I do), and I want to make it stronger. What is the best bang for the buck? Yes, I could install RCV or Ouverson 2 1/2 ton stuff. But, I'm not interested in spending $3,000 plus.

I could buy just an aftermarket 1480 and install it or I could buy stock 1550 shafts and a joint. Not much money differnce. (And way less than 3 grand) Do you get where I'm coming from now? Their are a lot of people on this site that arnt interested in tripling or quadrupling the cost of their axles.
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The 1550 ujoint axle from Ford is NOT stronger than a 1480 chromo shaft from any reputable company.
I'm talking about the AXLE SHAFT.

So, yes, the 1550 U-Joint from Spicer is a beast. Maybe stronger than a 1480 300M u-joint. IDK.

But what I know is that in a stock Ford 1550 shaft, the shafts themselves are going to break.

I put up there the "scale" of what I believe is the weakest to strongest. Cost also follows the same order. You pick what is in line with your budget/needs, I can't make that decision for you.

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I could buy just an aftermarket 1480 and install it or I could buy stock 1550 shafts and a joint. Not much money differnce.
uhhh... About $650 for the 1550 Ford shafts vs $1500ish for some 4340 chromo shafts + 1480 300M u-joint...
There is a significant difference.

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But what I know is that in a stock Ford 1550 shaft, the shafts themselves are going to break.
Makes sense.

I've heard when the joint or the yokes break, it often takes out the upper ball joint. (That would be a PITA) So obviously, just changing the joint to an after market 1480 would probably only assure the yoke would be the weak link. If I upgrade the shafts too, not sure what would be the weak link. What I'm thinking/hoping is if I upgrade to stock 1550 shafts/joints, the weak link would be the shaft snapping at the splines. That would be a lot better than the ball joint or knuckle being trashed.

Does my logic work for you?
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Yes. That's exactly what I'm trying to say for 2 pages now
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uhhh... About $650 for the 1550 Ford shafts
Don't know where you're shopping, but I just got short and long side for less than $400 total shipped. That's inners, outers, joints, and seals.
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I see that more companies are selling the weld-on high steer kits. Is there any consensus on these kits? Anyone know of any failures?
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So, yes, the 1550 U-Joint from Spicer is a beast. Maybe stronger than a 1480 300M u-joint. IDK.
I wish somebody would bring longfield's axle breaking machine back out and test some of these. I would love to see the results of that.
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