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Old 05-07-2012, 11:27 PM   #51 (permalink)
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o.k. i am sure, the ball joints are the same size as far as the shaft is concerned....
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:28 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Can you put the 10" super 60 gears in the 99-04 housings?
yep.. the 03-04 v10's with 4.30 gears were the 10" gear....
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:42 AM   #53 (permalink)
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So if you got a 05+ super 60 with the 1550 joints, could you use the 8 lug unit bearings? Or better question, who makes aftermarket shafts with a 1550 joint. Sice the 10" gear will fit in any 05+ housing (that is correct right?) and the came with 5.38's factory, it should be easy to upgrade to those bigger gears. I assume the lockers are the same, so an arb would work. Are the knuckles different on a super 60, or will all 05+ super duty housings accept shafts with 1550 joints?
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http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techart...xle/index.html

guess I should have read this... article says end forgings are bigger, and I assume that means knuckles are bigger. Still wondering if 1550 shafts will fit in 05+ non "super 60" housings... WMS on super 60 is 84+ inches. WMS on stock SD 60 is 72+. Swapping 8 lug unit bearings and brakes onto the "super 60" gets the WMS to 74. Add an inch of back spacing to your rims and you are back to 72 so that is no to big a deal....
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**I think** that the housing itself is bigger/wider on the 450/550 "super60".

Also If the ball joints are the same and all 05'+ came with the same balljoint spacing. Are \/these\/ the only differences between the 05'+ axles;

-Super60 has 10" ring gear (on 4.30 and lower gears axles)
-Super60 has 1550 joints (on 4.30 and lower gears axles)

Other than /\this/\,the adapter/spacers for the 10lug and width of housings what else different on the 05'+ axles?

Outer knuckles are different right? Bigger brakes and stuff.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:21 AM   #56 (permalink)
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x-rated see my previous post.. the unit bearing and the knuckle are the same on all 05-up 60's... (there is a slight casting difference on 08-up knucks) edit: 05-08, 09-up different knuckle, f450/550 bigger knuckle..



k-runner, the coil spring axle is wider than the leaf spring 99-04 axle, the difference is bigger axle tubes, bigger c's, bigger unit bearings (about 30%) , bigger brake rotors on all 05-up axles, the "super" axles got the 1550 axles and the 10" gears... dana lists the "super axles" as 05-up, but, i am calling the 1550 stuff with the 4.30, 4.88 and 5.38 gears the "super" axle since they have all the goodies... i don't believe i have seen a broken 1550 axle yet from a super 60. yet.
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yes, the 05'-up knuckles use the same unit pattern (all), 99-04 is smaller..
not 100% on the ball joints but i will check..
basically the inner c is taller on the 05'-up dana 60 to accomidate the 1550 u-joint, but, not all 2005'-up axles came with the bigger u-joints, they were all 35 spline but the "super 60" had the 1550 joints. not all f-450 10 lug axles had the bigger shafts, the unit i picked up was a f-450 with a 3.73 gear (non-10") and std. axle shafts but had the 10 lug adaptors. the way the dana chart reads, any axle with 3.54, 3.73 or 4.10 gears had the small shafts and standard 9.75" gear, any axle with 4.30, 4.88 or 5.38 gears had 1550 shafts and the 10" "super" gear. you can swap the axles or gears from either one either way...
Do you know what part of the Super 60 is longer? Driver side tube, passenger side tube, or both?
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Fawk this whole "Super 60" name thing...
It's simply a nickname that was given to the "450-550" axle by Ford Motorsports... And now-a-days most people call the "250-350" axle a "Super 60" too, so it's just simply confusing!
Some "450-550" axles don't have 1550 U-Joints so....
Some "450-550" axles don't have a 10" ring gear so...
Some "250-350" axles did have a 10" Ring Gear so....

The name "Super 60" doesn't clearly define anything anymore!

Generalizing them all as a "Super 60" is OK-ish I guess but for clear discussion purpouses calling them "250-350" and "450-550" is a lot more accurate IMO.

Both sides on the "450-550" are wider than "250-350" AFAIK.
I'm about 90% sure the Radius Arm Bushings are placed the same width apart on both axles, but on the "450-550" both tubes are longer from the Bushings out. I just bought a 550 axle and it should be here within a couple weeks, then I'll be able to measure and be sure.
450-550 Inner Shafts can't be cut down and re-splined to fit in a 250-350 housing cuz even though they are long enough there's a neck down just past the inner seal. You're stuck getting custom shafts if the stockers aren't strong enough for you.
It wont be long till there are plenty of aftermarket shafts available for the 250-350 housings with 1550 U-Joints.
1550 U-Joints will fit in a 05+ 250-350.
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Thanks Toby. Appreciate the info...
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It wont be long till there are plenty of aftermarket shafts available for the 250-350 housings with 1550 U-Joints.
1550 U-Joints will fit in a 05+ 250-350.
awesome. Should be a good step up from the "normal" D60 sized stuff without the need for "full custom" or "hybrid" axles with rocwell outers.

Especially if you run 40 spline D60 diff with 40 spline 1550 axles (when they are available).

of course it may take several years for the aftermarket to have the demand for such a beast.
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guess I should have read this... article says end forgings are bigger, and I assume that means knuckles are bigger. Still wondering if 1550 shafts will fit in 05+ non "super 60" housings... WMS on super 60 is 84+ inches. WMS on stock SD 60 is 72+. Swapping 8 lug unit bearings and brakes onto the "super 60" gets the WMS to 74. Add an inch of back spacing to your rims and you are back to 72 so that is no to big a deal....
Where are you getting the 74" WMS number from? My 05 F550 "super60" has a WMS of about 78" after converting it to 8 lug.
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Especially if you run 40 spline D60 diff with 40 spline 1550 axles (when they are available).
Eggzakly what I'm building!

10" ring gear, 40 spline, 1550 U-Joints... Unless of corse the new RCV Rockwell CV's will fit which I think they will. but don't tell anyone. lol
Pretty bad ass and relatively cheap!
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[QUOTE=mrtwstr;14342169]Fawk this whole "Super 60" name thing...
It's simply a nickname that was given to the "450-550" axle by Ford Motorsports... And now-a-days most people call the "250-350" axle a "Super 60" too, so it's just simply confusing!QUOTE]



it sure is confusing, but, dana actually lists the axle by that name (a 256 axle) and has a seperate listing for the 248 or std. axle... to make it more confusing, they list it all the way back to 2002 with the 10" gear set.. as far as i can discern, the "super" designation ties to the 10" gear set, but, from 2005-up they are 95% a 256 or super designation (throwing out the 3.73 and some oddball axles).. wheew.
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that sounds badass toby, my current jana 76'd 99-04 with the currie 35 spline gear and big rcv's will prolly hold, but, if i was starting over today i would use the 05-up axle housing and knucks..
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Where are you getting the 74" WMS number from? My 05 F550 "super60" has a WMS of about 78" after converting it to 8 lug.
The article said 550 axles were 84 and by switching hubs they got it down 10 inches, which would be 74. And then I said add 1" of BS to your wheels, to get your tires in the same place as if you had 72" WMS. The article might be wrong.
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Eggzakly what I'm building!

10" ring gear, 40 spline, 1550 U-Joints... Unless of corse the new RCV Rockwell CV's will fit which I think they will. but don't tell anyone. lol
Pretty bad ass and relatively cheap!
Toby, I think the 550 housing will be too wide for a JK. But you think 1550 shafts or rockwell RCV's would fit in a F350 housing?

What did you pay for your 550 if you don't mind? I
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I have a 2004 F450 Dana 60 4.88 axle from a truck that I thinking about selling. I've tried doing some searches on it, but the 2004 year is really weird as some trucks came with the old stuff and some with the new stuff so it's confusing as hell. I did some searching on the Dana site and it came back as being a std unit, but have not pulled the cover to check. It does have the larger tubes, DRW adapters to convert from 8 on 170mm to a large 8 lug 8 on 220-225mm pattern with 19.5" rims. It is set up for leafs. I can get measurements if anyone wants any. If someone wants to buy it make me an offer, I have a back procedure coming up and I'm assuming my insurance is going to screw me.....

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I picked up a set, front 60 and rear 10.5 sterling for $700. Out of an 05 sd. The front axle tube and knuckles are beast!!

They keep beefing up diesels with higher hp motors and more towing capacity. Everything is built bigger and stronger to handle the load.

35 spline hub to hub, massive tub and knuckles. What's not to like?

The only thing that sucks are all the factory brackets you have to chop off and a short Ds tube to work with. The pumpkin is offset to Ds more also. This actually worked great for my rig. Helped the driveshaft clear the tranny pan better.

The pumpkin could be a problem on super low rigs. May hit frame rail on uptravel.

I made my own high steer off the front of the knuckle. Time will tell how it holds up.
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I picked up a set, front 60 and rear 10.5 sterling for $700. Out of an 05 sd. The front axle tube and knuckles are beast!!

They keep beefing up diesels with higher hp motors and more towing capacity. Everything is built bigger and stronger to handle the load.

35 spline hub to hub, massive tub and knuckles. What's not to like?

The only thing that sucks are all the factory brackets you have to chop off and a short Ds tube to work with. The pumpkin is offset to Ds more also. This actually worked great for my rig. Helped the driveshaft clear the tranny pan better.

The pumpkin could be a problem on super low rigs. May hit frame rail on uptravel.

I made my own high steer off the front of the knuckle. Time will tell how it holds up.
These seem to be fairly cheap to get. I picked up my front for $600. Jeff76 do you have any pics of your high steer setup?
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Where are you guys finding them so cheap. There is a pirate vender that sells a pair for 1500. Are you guys using the sterling in the rear? I was looking at some custom rear axles and saw a vender use f350 2wd hubs bored out and drilled to accept full float shafts. Pretty sweet. Makes pulling shafts super easy. And the unit bearings are beefy. Was thinking about cutting the ends off a sterling and welding on a 1" thick unit bearing flange. Only thin I am unsure of is will that make the axle too short. I haven't ever seen a sterling with all the brakes and stuff off of it. I think I would have to cut the spindle off and the flange and unit bearing hub would probably be shorter.
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These seem to be fairly cheap to get. I picked up my front for $600. Jeff76 do you have any pics of your high steer setup?
I've got a build thread in hardcore.
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Where are you guys finding them so cheap. There is a pirate vender that sells a pair for 1500. Are you guys using the sterling in the rear? I was looking at some custom rear axles and saw a vender use f350 2wd hubs bored out and drilled to accept full float shafts. Pretty sweet. Makes pulling shafts super easy. And the unit bearings are beefy. Was thinking about cutting the ends off a sterling and welding on a 1" thick unit bearing flange. Only thin I am unsure of is will that make the axle too short. I haven't ever seen a sterling with all the brakes and stuff off of it. I think I would have to cut the spindle off and the flange and unit bearing hub would probably be shorter.

Yea running the sterling in the rear. It's beef too with 35 spline shafts. Strength is comparable to a Dana 70 supposedly. I got mine through a friend.
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Is anyone running these without cutting off the radius arm brackets? I know Toby has dropped several under full size chevy's, but I think they are mostly street trucks. Wondering in the radius arm bushings have enough flex to be under a Jeep with 12-14" of wheel travel?

Second question, I think the radius arm cast in piece also has coil spring mounts? Haven't seen a pick that shows it though...
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I have the whole super duty set up under my Durango. The radius arm front seems to want to hop in a big climb situation.
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there front end hops or the rear end hops?
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