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Old 05-20-2016, 12:51 PM   #2176 (permalink)
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I was subscribed to the thread and now it's no longer under my subscribed list. I also searched for just all Gen 4x4 threads I had posted in and it didn't come up in that search even though I know I posted in it. I hope someone didn't delete the thread for some reason because there was some good tech there. I had last looked at that thread about 2 weeks ago.

But these are the seals:

Axle Seal by Seals it, Economy Axle Seal, Seals It, Racing, Off Road Parts, Seals, Axle Seals, Grommets

They can be used as inner, outer, or middle tube seals with no machine work required on the tubes. Most shafts are smooth enough as cast but if you are worried about it they can be smoothed up. I've spoken to the company at length and the surface does not have to be perfect. In fact, if it is too smooth they WON'T seal. They have done things like used epoxy paint on the area of the shaft that the seal rides and then roughed the painted surface up a bit because it dries too smooth. But in most cases a rough cast shaft is good enough.
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Old 05-20-2016, 12:53 PM   #2177 (permalink)
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awesome!! thanks man... sorry didnt mean to put ya to work lol... any other issues you for see? i thought i remember several years back someone saying the front 35 spline shafts wouldnt work in a 35 spline sterling carrier... but im not sure if thats older 60s or if i even read that right...
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The Ford 10.25 and 10.50 use a 45 degree pressure angle. Danas are a 30 degree? I believe.
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What's your procedure for welding the steering arms on the knuckle?
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The Ford 10.25 and 10.50 use a 45 degree pressure angle. Danas are a 30 degree? I believe.
I'm not sure of the exact pressure angle but your correct in that sterling is different.
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I'm not sure of the exact pressure angle but your correct in that sterling is different.
That sucks

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Regarding that Sterling spline difference, i'm getting ready to grab a F+R pair of '05+ axles, and using the outers from all 4 corners with 9" housings for someone. I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle the rear axle shafts. My options are to narrow the stock shafts and get them resplined 35 spline, 30 degree pressure angle (if there's enough material), or a drive flange.

Has anyone ever seen drive flanges for a sterling so I could use common double 35 splined shafts
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If you have to go that far, just order the 99-04 outers and bolt on some hub bearings and run a UB and drive flange?
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The axles are going under a WJ that's going to get daily driven, so the factory ebrake, abs and brake balance are all pretty appealing. The ease of parts lookup with all wear items coming from a single make and model is an additional (but small) bonus too

They will be built a few inches narrower than the crazy width these new axles come with. Up front i can just use different inners to get a nice width, but the rear i'm still not set on which direction to take
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The axles are going under a WJ that's going to get daily driven, so the factory ebrake, abs and brake balance are all pretty appealing. The ease of parts lookup with all wear items coming from a single make and model is an additional (but small) bonus too

They will be built a few inches narrower than the crazy width these new axles come with. Up front i can just use different inners to get a nice width, but the rear i'm still not set on which direction to take

Cut and spline stock shafts? Since you are narrowing anyway.
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Like AAM axles, the shafts neck down just after the seal surface. Can't shorten them to 35 spline.

I'm pretty sure the axle flange is the same as Dana, but I could never verify from Moser, Dutchman, Branik, etc. Tt would be easy to order a Dana axle gasket to test fit on a Ford shaft. You'll need them anyway, since the 10.25/10.50 uses an o-ring to seal the shaft.

edit: Use a 99-04 rear end to get the width and brakes you need. 67 or 68 inch WMS measurement, shorten using 2 short sides to 65 inch.
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My long side inners are cut and resplined four inches shorter.

Are you referring to fronts or rear?

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My long side inners are cut and resplined four inches shorter.

Are you referring to fronts or rear?
He's talking about rear shafts.

I wasn't aware that the sterling had a long and short shaft.

AP is going to be using 9" centers though, so he needs some Dana-esque ff shafts
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Cheap rear steering axle! For an upcoming project.

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After some discussion with my local axle guru(who also supplied the axle...for a BRO deal) out came the porta-band



Luckily that same axle GURU has been sleeving axles for years and doing this was old hat.





Im now waiting on a Truss and it will go back to get an ARB and 5.38 gears
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The axles are going under a WJ that's going to get daily driven, so the factory ebrake, abs and brake balance are all pretty appealing. The ease of parts lookup with all wear items coming from a single make and model is an additional (but small) bonus too

They will be built a few inches narrower than the crazy width these new axles come with. Up front i can just use different inners to get a nice width, but the rear i'm still not set on which direction to take
I just built a nine inch rear axle for someone with sterling routers and we got 35 spline axles from moser with the sterling bolt pattern.
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After some discussion with my local axle guru(who also supplied the axle...for a BRO deal) out came the porta-band



Luckily that same axle GURU has been sleeving axles for years and doing this was old hat.





Im now waiting on a Truss and it will go back to get an ARB and 5.38 gears

A sterling rear/60 outers is a good alternative for extra beef in the middle.

Its pinned straight in this pic but is now under construction getting the moving bits added


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The D60 under my 97 F450 is kingpin and 10 lug. Not normal?
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Don't miss out on our Memorial Day sale guys, 05-up 35-spline drive slug kits for $240 and 05-up unit bearing cups 10% off.. through the 31st!
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The D60 under my 97 F450 is kingpin and 10 lug. Not normal?
yes, these were conversion trucks, not factory ford. Usually Marmon-Herrington i believe.
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Yeah I forgot it is a Quigley 4x4, though I assumed it was pretty much factory Ford parts.

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The axles are going under a WJ that's going to get daily driven, so the factory ebrake, abs and brake balance are all pretty appealing. The ease of parts lookup with all wear items coming from a single make and model is an additional (but small) bonus too

They will be built a few inches narrower than the crazy width these new axles come with. Up front i can just use different inners to get a nice width, but the rear i'm still not set on which direction to take
Would be cheaper to skip the Sterling and get the 9" center and then use 05+ bearing cups. Then you have the same unit bearings all around. I've done the math many times. With the Sterling you still have to deal with a friction welded spindle or make a new spindles and buy a donor axle.
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Would be cheaper to skip the Sterling and get the 9" center and then use 05+ bearing cups. Then you have the same unit bearings all around. I've done the math many times. With the Sterling you still have to deal with a friction welded spindle or make a new spindles and buy a donor axle.

I would still have to figure out an ebrake, and find a caliper with similar piston surface area to what the sterling has from the factory. Also at that point the axle would start getting into a pile of parts from a variety of different vehicles or manufacturers, I'd rather keep the simplicity of having all the wear items from a single make and model if possible. I've got access to a lathe so I can turn a sleeve to mate the ID of the 9" to match the sterling housing or spindle as I get it all trued up so that won't be worried. I think it'll be a good setup, but we'll see
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I know this isn't a for sale section, but figured since these are specific to this axle only, I'd post up in the event anyone is interested.

I have a set of barely used RCV front axle shafts for 05+ Super Duty D60s (F250/350 SRW). 35 spline inner and outer shafts. They were purchased new Nov/Dec of 2014 and my build was not done until late summer 2015. The shafts have maybe 100 street miles and 3 easy wheeling trips, all easy slow crawling.

Pics attached are from when they were new. I have not pulled them yet, so I don't have any updated pictures. That said, they look like RCVs. If they sell, I can pull next day.

$1700 shipped, retail is $2295. PM me if interested.

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