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TrailTamer XJ 11-03-2009 03:18 PM

info on Ford Super Duty Dana 60 axle
 
I may get flamed on this, only if I search wrong way somehow?

I am gonna to build hybrid axle so I a bought 06' Super duty Dana 60 SRW hub assembly (inner c, knuckles, bearings, etc etc, no tube or pumpkin)

This came out to be challenging for me as there's lack of info on these axles :(

One thing I found out right away that the tube of the 06' D60 came out to be 3.75" in diameter with .5" thick wall, which are a bit larger than the older D60's (3.125" diameter)

I as well not sure what aftermarket knuckles I can get for them so I dont need to have some machine shop to do some hell work on to figure out a strong high steer arms to be made for these knuckles.

I am not sure but I believe the D60 outer stub shafts that I have are 35 splines instead of the 30 splines which the older Super Duty have (claimed by the D60 bible)

I really need to find out what options I have for the knuckles and what year the knuckles will interchange with the newer D60 (as mine's a 06') inner C's ball joints. I will need to redrill the hub bearings and rotors for the standard 8x6.5 bolt pattern. I found out that spidertrax do sell them, but they are going close to $400 a pop and said are from F.450 so I dont know if that will work on what I have (right now I prefer use what I have by redrill them as I dont want to spend $800 on just some bling unit bearings!):barf:

This may be dumb, but is it possible for me to redrill the hubs/rotors myself? the hard part would be drill RIGHT place! :laughing:

keep in mind this is not all about me, could be some helpful info for other wheelers/SD owners, carry on! :flipoff2:

GreatWhiteXJ 11-03-2009 04:45 PM

Your not searching hard enough. Look specifically in the Ford area and here in General 4x4.

But heres what I can tell you....
Your correct on all the info you have posted. Yes, the stubs should be 35 spline and if not they are easy to convert.

Check out Branik Motorsports. Theres a lot of options but this seems to be the cheapest by far. Almost 1/2 of what spidertrax wants. They have F450 UBH's machined to 8x6.5 pattern (or any pattern) for a REAL good price. The F450 unit bearing hub is the one you want. It guarantee's the outer stub is 35 spline. Other Super duty BJ 60's are 30 spline and depending on choice, this is how we convert to 35 spline. And yes that means the F350 30 spline unit and the F450 35 spline unit are interchangable. Then just simply make your choice of drive flanges or leave the manual hubs.

As for high steer, again theres a lot of options. Theres several comapines that make hi steer knuckles. And yes, again the F350 and F450 knuckles will interchange.

However rather that replaceing the knuckle/s, many are choosing the mill the passenger knuckle and set it up similar to a 44 hi steer. There's acctuatlly a good thread going here somewhere on it. Search for it.

I myself opted for OffRoad Unlimited's knuckle for the passenger side for it was well priced and exactly what I wanted.

As for redrilling the hubs yourself, I suppose that all depends on your skills son. :flipoff2: No, if you gonna tackle it with a hand drill and a sharpie you better leave it alone. However if you've got the right tools to do it precise as chit, do it.

TrailTamer XJ 11-03-2009 08:46 PM

I will look into these sections more for some info that I am after!

I believe you meant this for the high steer part http://www.offroadunlimited.com/orus...idproduct=8266

however mine's a 06' so it seemly sound like this package wont work then? also it seem that it only raises the drag link higher, but the tie rod remains in stock location, which defeat my goal, i want to raise the drag link mount on the passenger side knuckle AND crossover from there to the driver side knuckle.

I looked this up on branik motorsport, definately a place I would go, as I got referred to this shop before so why not.

scroll down, will see this unit bearing thats has been modified for less than $300 (still lot though)

http://www.branikmotorsports.com/PRO...products3.html

I may prefer to have a shop to redrill the rotors/units or just buy these unit bearings.

the biggest question, can 04 and down knuckles fit the 05+ ball joint inner C's? because as it seem I only can find the 04 and down parts and next to nothing for 05 and up

thank for your reply btw :D

trajan 11-03-2009 11:23 PM

Super 60 Ring Gear Sources besides Ford?
 
Does anyone have any info on sources to obtain the bigger 10" Dana 60 ring and pinions used in the later Super Dutys? I hear they swap into earlier housings. I am curious if the OP has the Super 60 package. Not much info on it out there on the web. Good luck on your axle.

jasonmt 11-04-2009 01:26 AM

The 05+ SD 60's have different knuckles between the F-250/350 and the F-450/550 as the 450/550 and "Wide Track" F-350 DRW trucks use a 1550 U-joint and the 250/350 use a 1480.

Things like unit bearings, knuckles, shafts, locking hubs etc. do not interchange between the 99-04 axles and the 05+ axles. All the 05+ axles are 35 spline on the outers as well.

The "Super 60" is also a F-450/550 and "Wide Track" F-350 DRW truck axle only to the best of my knowledge.

ruefab 11-04-2009 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonmt (Post 10537825)
The 05+ SD 60's have different knuckles between the F-250/350 and the F-450/550 as the 450/550 and "Wide Track" F-350 DRW trucks use a 1550 U-joint and the 250/350 use a 1480.

Things like unit bearings, knuckles, shafts, locking hubs etc. do not interchange between the 99-04 axles and the 05+ axles. All the 05+ axles are 35 spline on the outers as well.

The "Super 60" is also a F-450/550 and "Wide Track" F-350 DRW truck axle only to the best of my knowledge.


Are the 05+stubs the same lenght as the 99-04 stubs.Just wondering if I could bore out my 99-04 unitbearing and use the 05+ 35 spline stub.

Here's a link to thread I started about steering arms for the ball joint knuckles

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...+steering+arms

jasonmt 11-05-2009 11:18 AM

Don't know for sure on the stubs but I also would not want to say the shaft profile for seals etc. is the same even if they were the same length. I have to change the inner seals on the 06 beater in the next ouple of months and will grab some measurements when I do if you still need them.

mcamish01 11-05-2009 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruefab (Post 10542030)
Are the 05+stubs the same lenght as the 99-04 stubs.Just wondering if I could bore out my 99-04 unitbearing and use the 05+ 35 spline stub.

No. The 05+ stubs are significantly shorter.

ruefab 11-05-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcamish01 (Post 10545000)
No. The 05+ stubs are significantly shorter.



Shorter...How much shorter? My 04 30 spline stubs are 9.39" long, and I thought that was short.

CowboyKyle 01-09-2010 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trajan (Post 10537679)
Does anyone have any info on sources to obtain the bigger 10" Dana 60 ring and pinions used in the later Super Dutys? I hear they swap into earlier housings. I am curious if the OP has the Super 60 package. Not much info on it out there on the web. Good luck on your axle.

Is it safe to assume aftermarket 9.75" gears will fit the Super 60 housing?

enigma2y0u 01-09-2010 07:14 AM

All i have to say is the new ford 60s like the one in question bring the fucking beef. I have been in a powerstroke that has taken 20-30 foot jumps and is beat hard. I wouldn't be afraid to run one.

mrtwstr 01-11-2010 05:18 PM

You got a PM.

TBItoy 10-16-2011 11:08 PM

Bringing an old thread up now that these axles are more available.


How would the knuckles/Cs of the 05+ super dutys compare to: (in order of generally regarded strength)

I. Aftermarket Kingpin 60 (Reid/Crane/etc)

II. Stock Chevy Kingpin 60

III. Stock Ford Kingpin 60


I'm picking up a set of 07 Super Duty axles that will most likely be used in a "bouncer" style buggy. Just wondering how the knuckles/Cs would hold up to air time and beatdowns.

GreatWhiteXJ 10-17-2011 04:42 PM

In short.....find a broken BJ knuckle.


To every 1 balljoint 60 knuckle failure you can find, you'll find 1,000 cracked or broken KP knuckles.

The knuckles on my 02' BJ 60 make KP knuckles look like 44 knuckles. I am yet to find a single failure of my type of knuckle. The 05'+ knucks are even bigger. I cant offer any conclusive facts but I SERIOUSLY doubt you'll break one.

Reid Racing 10-17-2011 05:03 PM

On the Ram & Superduty balljoint axles, you really don't have to worry about the knuckles breaking. The balljoints and unitbearings fail long before the knuckle does, otherwise we would be making balljoint 60 knuckles.

We wouldn't have designed a JK knuckle except for the fact that we've seen several instances of broken knuckles. As weak as the JK balljoints are (hence the upgraded ones from Dynatrac & Poly Performance) the knuckles still break on those. But the weak link on the balljoint Dana 60 axles is not the knuckles.

jeep937 10-17-2011 05:23 PM

The SD 60 Knuckles are massive and beef..

Halogrinder 10-17-2011 06:40 PM

i got one for sale :D its got like 10K miles on it- complete :)

Apimpdad 10-17-2011 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeep937 (Post 13498299)
The SD 60 Knuckles are massive and beef..

This.

I have always liked ball joints over king pins because of all the knuckle failures of the king pin axles. I can only think of 1 ball joint 60 failure that I have seen. Only drawback of BJ over KP is steering.



http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...-18-29_739.jpg

urmaster85 02-01-2012 06:44 PM

so these 2005-12 dana 60 have a hp,larger ring and pinion, bigger knuckles, and are fairly new (not as mistreated) plus not as expensive or sought after as earlier 60s. Whats not to like about them except for the metric lug?

FORDTECHGURU 02-01-2012 07:38 PM

dunno, they fetch 1000-1100 for a complete 05-up takeout at the yard, but , considering the inherient stregnth of the overall unit, it is a bargain. who cares about the wheel pattern anyways, any wheel i want i can get in metric pattern.. stay tuned for 05-up hi-steer stuff btw...

Halogrinder 02-01-2012 07:40 PM

i just kicked a complete 08 for 850 cause i needed it out of my way, and a rear axle from a '10 for 500 bucks!

urmaster85 02-01-2012 09:39 PM

thanks for the info. Will start searching for one for my Scout II project.

brokenFSJ 02-01-2012 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apimpdad (Post 13498685)
This.

I have always liked ball joints over king pins because of all the knuckle failures of the king pin axles. I can only think of 1 ball joint 60 failure that I have seen. Only drawback of BJ over KP is steering.



http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...-18-29_739.jpg

Just for comparrison, here is a similar pic of an 05' and up super 60 (f450/550):
[IMG]http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...100_1638-1.jpg[/IMG]
The Super60's are a little bigger in some area's than the regular 05' and up 60's. Here are a few more pics of a super60 that I am converting to 8 lug (metric):

[IMG]http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...6/100_1624.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...6/100_1619.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...6/100_1618.jpg[/IMG]

Yes they do have 1550 ujoint's
[IMG]http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...6/100_1634.jpg[/IMG]

These axles are very wide though. Even after converting it to single wheel 8 lug wheel hubs, it will still be about a 79 wms.

roctaco 02-02-2012 12:09 AM

One thing that may help those of you thinking of building these axles...a cheaper alternative to drilling the unit bearing hubs & rotors to 8-on-6.5 is to double-drill your wheels instead. I'm using a '02 D60 that's got 8-on-170 for my front SAS but I've got an older D60 rear that's 8-on-6.5. I'm having my wheels double-drilled for $20/ea., which is way cheaper than drilling out the hubs/rotors. Not to mention when those components wear out or fail, I won't have to re-drill the replacement parts.

Apimpdad 02-02-2012 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORDTECHGURU (Post 13953513)
dunno, they fetch 1000-1100 for a complete 05-up takeout at the yard, but , considering the inherient stregnth of the overall unit, it is a bargain. who cares about the wheel pattern anyways, any wheel i want i can get in metric pattern.. stay tuned for 05-up hi-steer stuff btw...

:smokin:

Any idea how far out they will be?


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