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Old 07-22-2010, 11:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Brakes, Ford HPD60 front calipers falling off

can & will post pics later, my calipers are stock 1978-79 ford HPD60, with the funky H bar leaf spring wedge fit type.
no bolts to hold calipers to mounting brackets.
well they are sloppy & must have spread open, they are cast or forged steel or iron.
drove this for a year, street driven never a problem till TTC, pass caliper pops out.
so I see problem & shim the little leaf spring to take out slop, but that means less "grip" area of the h-bar wedge.
just drove to Rubicon, aprox 200 miles, wheeled to spider, beat on it pretty hard for 30 min at soup bowl, camped & headed back out wed, well caliper falls out coming up the slabs, I was able to put it back on, but no way it would be able to make the trip home. so I call a tow. $400 gone, o-well better then a crash.


My only solution
weld the shim thickness in weld bead, & file ,to upper bracket to remove slop
can't do that to lower part or end up with less material to "grip" h-bar wedge in place
buy used brackets that may be just as sloppy, & or could become sloppy like these
or convert to Chevy calipers & brackets that use real mounting bolts not these sissy h-bar wedges.
but to do that, will I need to change to Chevy knuckles?
I have Reid knuckles already, not stock so already have high $$ knuckles, I have to spend more $ on knuckles

I searched goggle for a week on this problem & came up dry.

there has to be more people with this problem.
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You have just the wedge or is the spring missing?
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I had the same problem, switched to 3/4 ton chevy brakes via a blackbird customs bracket setup. I could not do anything to keep the caliper on mine. Tried new springs/bars, everything. Got tired of it and changed brake setup
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You have just the wedge or is the spring missing?
I have both
in fact tried new wedge & spring.
caliper fell off 3 times total
1st in tank trap, wedge was still there, did not falll off
2nd time 2 miles of street right after ttc, wedge gone
3rd time yesterday, wedge still there
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I had the same problem, switched to 3/4 ton chevy brakes via a blackbird customs bracket setup. I could not do anything to keep the caliper on mine. Tried new springs/bars, everything. Got tired of it and changed brake setup
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I will do a search on this
I run 46" claws on 20" rims, brakes are never able to lock up, so maybe I can upgrade at same time?
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Can you just change out the caliper hanger for a later model that either uses the single bolt attachment or the rubber wedges?
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I had the same problem, switched to 3/4 ton chevy brakes via a blackbird customs bracket setup. I could not do anything to keep the caliper on mine. Tried new springs/bars, everything. Got tired of it and changed brake setup
DONE!
just called blackbird customs, pair of calipers $140, free shipping
use 3/4 ton chevy calipers.
He told me to check into chevy c30-35 van calipers, might fit & be bigger
thx so much for that answer!
if you ever need a switch panel or electrical parts & I can help, let me know you told me about my brakes & I will return the favor
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change these parts

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Seabass, do you have aftermarket knuckles? I know a guy who put Black Bird stuff on a HP60 with Reid knuckles, and had to clearance the knuckles so he could get the caliper on.
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There should still be a bolt that holds the H-bracket in place? It keeps the H-bracket from falling off. Or am I missing something here?
I ended up welding a piece of metal on the H-bracket, that surrounded the bolt circumference completely, and haven't had a issue since.
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i done that
new calipers, loaded with all new hardware, problem is sloppy
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Could you make an H bracket that then ends wrap around the ends of the wedge with a hole in the middle. drill and tap a hole in the caliper bracket. Bolt H bracket to caliper.
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I fought this same problem for a long time on a F-700. Same concept, just a little larger.



Anywho, NAPA sells a kit to shim the bottom of the caliper. There is actually a ford spec where you assemble everything and use a feeler gauge to determine the play in the caliper, the amount of play determines the thickness of the shim.
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There should still be a bolt that holds the H-bracket in place? It keeps the H-bracket from falling off. Or am I missing something here?
I ended up welding a piece of metal on the H-bracket, that surrounded the bolt circumference completely, and haven't had a issue since.
had caliper fall off & H-bracket stay on, so that won't help in this case

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Could you make an H bracket that then ends wrap around the ends of the wedge with a hole in the middle. drill and tap a hole in the caliper bracket. Bolt H bracket to caliper.
might work, but rather then make bandaids I bought the GM brackets
BUT thanks for the sugestion!
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In my case, that didn't work, I had new calipers, new springs, new everything, the actual knuckle where the caliper sits on the bottom wears, or possible isn't machined to a tight enough tolerance to begin with, seeing as how my truck only had 40k on it.
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The Chevy brakes will not stop your rig better than Fords big twin piston stuff. The newer ford D60's utilize a different caliper mount that bolts the caliper in. I have a set. IMHO I think you went the wrong direction to brake that rig on big tars.

I swapped to the ford twin piston calipers from the chevy stuff up front on a five lug hybrid 609 and the braking improved big time. I moved the chevy stuff to the rear to replace drums. Best braking ever on my rig.
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The Chevy brakes will not stop your rig better than Fords big twin piston stuff. The newer ford D60's utilize a different caliper mount that bolts the caliper in. I have a set. IMHO I think you went the wrong direction to brake that rig on big tars.

I swapped to the ford twin piston calipers from the chevy stuff up front on a five lug hybrid 609 and the braking improved big time. I moved the chevy stuff to the rear to replace drums. Best braking ever on my rig.
well what year?
where do I get them?
place I ordered from is trying to see if the P30 chevy van calipers will fit
guess that is a 1 ton
I just want this fixed
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I fought this same problem for a long time on a F-700. Same concept, just a little larger.



Anywho, NAPA sells a kit to shim the bottom of the caliper. There is actually a ford spec where you assemble everything and use a feeler gauge to determine the play in the caliper, the amount of play determines the thickness of the shim.
Seriously, this fixes it for like 12 bucks
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also. if I'm not mistaken, don't chevy dana 60's use the exact same caliper mounting setup as a ford 60?
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Seriously, this fixes it for like 12 bucks
Can you provide anymore info on how to source/order these shim kits from NAPA?
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What ever route you take i would keep the big brakes vs the GM 3/4 ton stuff.
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dammit, Matt beat me to it. I had the same problem with my ford calipers, except they were originals (as far as I could tell)..replaced the hardward a couple of times, added "shims", re-bent the springs so they were arched more, added some weld to the mount....after a few trips the caliper still came off. in the end, I ended up having to replace the knuckles (broke factory ford stuff, again...imagine that) with some badass units from Solid, at the same time I figured it was time to replace the brakes. I ordered the stuff from Blackbird and installed the chevy brakes. my rig actually stops better with them, but then again I had original factory calipers on the front. the chevy stuff fits fine with the Solid knuckles, only thing I had to do was get a new banjo bolt for the caliper/AN braided line.



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Can you provide anymore info on how to source/order these shim kits from NAPA?
i went into my store and we found them in a paper catalog. if you have problems at your store, I can probably stop in and get parts numbers on saturday.
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dammit, Matt beat me to it. I had the same problem with my ford calipers, except they were originals (as far as I could tell)..replaced the hardward a couple of times, added "shims", re-bent the springs so they were arched more, added some weld to the mount....after a few trips the caliper still came off. in the end, I ended up having to replace the knuckles (broke factory ford stuff, again...imagine that) with some badass units from Solid, at the same time I figured it was time to replace the brakes. I ordered the stuff from Blackbird and installed the chevy brakes. my rig actually stops better with them, but then again I had original factory calipers on the front. the chevy stuff fits fine with the Solid knuckles, only thing I had to do was get a new banjo bolt for the caliper/AN braided line.



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sweet!
black bird is helping me out with testing out the P30 1 ton chevy van cliper
he has also made a dual piston rear 14 bolt setup, I may be upgrading to that also
anyone needing brake stuff should call him, soulds like one of us, great to work with, very sharp guy
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I had a Ford 60 caliper fall off too and drove 200 miles with a bungee cord holding it on. I pry the H ends open so they dont wiggle out. The caliper brackets look worn where the H part rides so I got a better set of stock brackets to put on if I ever get the motor swap done. Next time the caliper falls off, I will swap to Chev outers.
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