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Old 01-25-2014, 10:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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anyone ever see a permaturf driveway

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basically you lay the gravel/sand down then these plastic squares over it and replant the grass.




basically its in a fenced in back yard and i really hated to just pave a driveway right through the middle of the yard. my original plan was gravel but city says nope.

only downfall is if you park in the same spot for a while you can have a dead patch.

just curious if anyone has this set up or have seen it and does it hold up?
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Old 01-25-2014, 10:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm gonna get that for my whole driveway so when someone pulls up I can say "OMG you're gonna tear up my lawn!" and make them feel bad.
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Man. That's a goddamn good idea if it actually works.
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In my old neighborhood when you parked on the grass they called you white trash and the neighbors talked about "resale value" and shit
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I have an '83 FJ60 parked in the front yard right now. I live in the middle of town.
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That is the latest version. Cal Stone has a cement paver system that should be a bit more durable. There is another company that uses concrete grid matts. I have helped install these and it went ok, just did not strike me a durable, more of an after thought weight-displacement effort. The Cal Stone pavers were used on one of my wife's projects for a secondary fire truck access. I plan to use them for my driveway when I finish the front yard. What is right for you will depend on the weight and amount of traffic that it will see. The newer artificial turfs are quite realistic as well.

http://www.jetsongreen.com/2010/02/d...rete-mats.html

http://calstone.com/paving-stones/turfstone-II

https://www.google.com/search?q=arti...+turf&tbm=shop

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Old 01-26-2014, 06:31 AM   #7 (permalink)
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There's a parking lot of it local to me. It works pretty good. Although the grass is thin and the plastic circles are getting broken.
Looks a little messy with broken bits but I wonder if that's a result of poor preparation.

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I have used a similar system on a few jobs both the plastic and concrete versions. We use them when we have to design a fire lane around a building. They work ok if you will only drive on the occasionally. If you are going to drive on it everyday it is very hard to keep grass growing on them.
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Man. That's a goddamn good idea if it actually works.
thats kind of my fear, it looks really awesome but cant find any reviews about long term hold up online.

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In my old neighborhood when you parked on the grass they called you white trash and the neighbors talked about "resale value" and shit
thats what i been doing but the yard was getting rutted up, its on a slight incline and my 2wd is having issues getting back there after a rain.

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That is the latest version. Cal Stone has a cement paver system that should be a bit more durable. There is another company that uses concrete grid matts. I have helped install these and it went ok, just did not strike me a durable, more of an after thought weight-displacement effort. The Cal Stone pavers were used on one of my wife's projects for a secondary fire truck access. I plan to use them for my driveway when I finish the front yard. What is right for you will depend on the weight and amount of traffic that it will see. The newer artificial turfs are quite realistic as well.

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i looked at pavers at home depot/menards. i was just wondering how they hold up over time, if they crack and crumble. one good thing about pavers is if you bust one i guess you can justdig it up and replace it. thanks for the link i bookmarked them

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I have used a similar system on a few jobs both the plastic and concrete versions. We use them when we have to design a fire lane around a building. They work ok if you will only drive on the occasionally. If you are going to drive on it everyday it is very hard to keep grass growing on them.
yeah this is another issue. it might be driven on daily, and even parked on over night. i can park in different spots as not to kill the grass but thats what im wondering if its just gonna be all f'ed up after a few years of parking on it and driving on it
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My boss got a buttload of that stuff for a parking area he was building: works pretty well, but you absofreakinlutely need to make sure the sub-base is done right, and it's well drained. He's got a spot or two that anything heavier than a camry will punch right through. The rest of it seems to be holding up well. Don't over-water it, either.
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My boss got a buttload of that stuff for a parking area he was building: works pretty well, but you absofreakinlutely need to make sure the sub-base is done right, and it's well drained. He's got a spot or two that anything heavier than a camry will punch right through. The rest of it seems to be holding up well. Don't over-water it, either.
This is the battle, the thinner mat systems install over a soil layer and prevent rutting by displacing the weight. The concrete pavers are thick,maven thicker than a traditional paver (~5") and install directly on top of a compacted base and it's cavities are filled with soil for the grass to grow.
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I have seen the cement style of this and it works well from what I can see. One guy down the road uses it for his RV parking which is a big class A rig. The drive itself looks good, not sure about under the wheels but gonna guess it is dead spots but I couldn't imagine it being all that unsightly since you won't have to look at it often.
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I have used a similar system on a few jobs both the plastic and concrete versions. We use them when we have to design a fire lane around a building. They work ok if you will only drive on the occasionally. If you are going to drive on it everyday it is very hard to keep grass growing on them.
This x10. And don't even think about for an incline.
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I put this in a lady's house that needed it to turn her car around on everyday. That was nearly 20 years ago, and it still looks good last time I drove by it.
NFI what upkeep she has done on it.
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Sod Block has been a requirement for those that want to park on their own property here in most SoCal cities since they implemented no parking of RV's on the streets more than 2 days without a "visitation" permit.
I personally wouldn't use anything other than the concrete sod blocks if you don't want to end up replacing it in the future. The base is crucial for any type but the concrete will last longer than the plastic and retains moisture for the grass to survive.
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I want a driveway with this stuff

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I suspect this stuff does not work well on a grade of any sort?
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I suspect this stuff does not work well on a grade of any sort?
thats a good point, i wonder if its slippery when wet. i dont think it will be too bad, i had no problem driving and parking the 2wd in the back yard on the grass when it was raining at first... it was just after multiple times and with the soft ground it started becoming difficult.

maybe it might even work better, with the dirt/grass being soft the tires will go down and grab the plastic honeycombs for traction.

im going to have to look for a landscaping company to talk too about doing this. i thought it would be easy to do myself but getting everything compacted and level sounds like a pain and i would hate to screw it up
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I think that plastic stuff would break and wear out over time.

Everytime I get bored and surf for trucks in Germany it seems that everyone has these blocks over there with grass growing out of them and they hold up to some heavy trucks.

Mutual Materials has the "turfstone" blocks that I want to use someday when I finally get rid of all of the other things I need to do around the house.
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I want a driveway with this stuff

did a "grand openeing event" at a new research building a couple months ago.

the driveway is that stuff.

3 semi's and 4 24' box trucks full of production gear later and it was completely destroyed. all the "pavers" were crushed into the ground and the grass was killed.
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Just pour a solid concert drive and glue down some green outdoor carpet...
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did a "grand openeing event" at a new research building a couple months ago.

the driveway is that stuff.

3 semi's and 4 24' box trucks full of production gear later and it was completely destroyed. all the "pavers" were crushed into the ground and the grass was killed.
They should have done better research.... I don't anticipate any 18-wheelers on my property
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We spec that stuff often and it has been around for a while. It works on slopes just fine. In fact, that's what it was initially developed for. Slope stabilization materials were its' fore runner. It has ratings just like any other paver. Don't use residential grade pavers where you expect heavy truck traffic. Don't try to do burn outs on it. I will say the ones I've seen that aren't already well established struggle with double axle loaded vehicles making tight turns. If the ground is saturated those vehicles would be better served to not turn the steering wheel or stay off it all-together.
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I'm gonna get that for my whole driveway so when someone pulls up I can say "OMG you're gonna tear up my lawn!" and make them feel bad.
Come on man, grass doesn't grow in Roswell!
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We spec that stuff often and it has been around for a while. It works on slopes just fine. In fact, that's what it was initially developed for. Slope stabilization materials were its' fore runner. It has ratings just like any other paver. Don't use residential grade pavers where you expect heavy truck traffic. Don't try to do burn outs on it. I will say the ones I've seen that aren't already well established struggle with double axle loaded vehicles making tight turns. If the ground is saturated those vehicles would be better served to not turn the steering wheel or stay off it all-together.
supposedly they used the commercial grade stuff. they claimed it was designed for trucks since it led right up to the loading dock.
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