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Old 12-26-2015, 08:25 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Won't be anything new. I saw this or something similar in El Cajon back in the '80s. Cop drivin' it was a smokein' hot chick. Cops dig toys just like us. They just get other people to pay for 'em.



I found this particular photo interesting because the car wasn't riding a tow truck...
Weird, those things were dogs.
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Weird, those things were dogs.
A coworker bought one to drive while his Nova was being restored. I told him when he bought it to gimme a call when he needed to go get a trans for it.

3 months in...

We went to pick a part & had to look under five cars before we found one with a trans in it!
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From this thread - that I'm sure will be HGTD before long.
Done - bid pulled/being revised.
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Done - bid pulled/being revised.
Ya think?

Fucking jackasses should be docked a pay grade for trying to pull those shenanigans.
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Done - bid pulled/being revised.
They forgot the 5 ton axles
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The problem is that someone who is being paid with tax dollars thought that was entirely o.k. If nobody said anything they would be on the long list of people who regretted buying an Ultra 4 car, and it's not even their money!!

Is it possible that the public will never see the new "bid" and someone's brothers cousin will end up selling them a $200,000 headache with no public knowledge?

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Not sure where this info came from, but it is complete BS.

Since nobody would ever lie on Pirate, I guess the "Ranger" made this up out of thin air. The Eldorado NF has several Jeep Rubicons, but they are JK;s and not on 35's. I've never seen one on the trail. The USFS has absolutely nothing to do with trail maintenance decisions as those are made by Eldorado County. Last, the county doesn't make decisions about "trailworthiness", they make decisions about maintenance based on easement, erosion, and sediment delivery.
So just because you called bs. I called a friend that was there with me.

I fucked up....
We were on foredyce and I have no idea how I even got confused.
So...

There is a ranger (guy who had the authority to write my friend a registration ticket) on Fordyce that claimed they had a locked jeep on 35's that they use to Guage the trail and decide when an area might need smoothing over or a little work done on a bypass line.

Either way I'm not sure why something similar wouldn't work on the con. That is all
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The problem is that someone who is being paid with tax dollars thought that was entirely o.k. If nobody said anything they would be on the long list of people who regretted buying an Ultra 4 car, and it's not even their money!!
You said it right there, that's why it's important for every tax paying citizen to question how our money is being spent. If things keeping going the way they are, pretty soon we'll be seeing mobs with pitchforks marching to the capital.

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Almost. They will need to run it through some type of contract; it's too much for a PO. Sometimes these things are advertised widely, sometimes selectively, or sometimes they are sole sourced to an existing open end type contract. The contractor doesn't want to talk about things when it might ruin their chance of getting it. Getting blacklisted by the gov't sucks.

Also, as I pointed out in a post that was deleted, the cost presented to us private citizens does not reflect the actual cost. For every dollar a business spends it needs to make two or three. It's a simple fact. So a $200k expenditure is not really $200k, but you'll never hear about that side of it because it's "already there" as someone else pointed out. But there's so much of it "there" it's hard to even count things up, let alone stop it.

I can't even think about the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge costs.
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You said it right there, that's why it's important for every tax paying citizen to question how our money is being spent. If things keeping going the way they are, pretty soon we'll be seeing mobs with pitchforks marching to the capital.



Almost. They will need to run it through some type of contract; it's too much for a PO. Sometimes these things are advertised widely, sometimes selectively, or sometimes they are sole sourced to an existing open end type contract. The contractor doesn't want to talk about things when it might ruin their chance of getting it. Getting blacklisted by the gov't sucks.

Also, as I pointed out in a post that was deleted, the cost presented to us private citizens does not reflect the actual cost. For every dollar a business spends it needs to make two or three. It's a simple fact. So a $200k expenditure is not really $200k, but you'll never hear about that side of it because it's "already there" as someone else pointed out. But there's so much of it "there" it's hard to even count things up, let alone stop it.

I can't even think about the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge costs.
Thanks for explaining! What I meant by the public "seeing" the bid was if the dumbass that posted it in the classified section of pirate hadn't done that and people didn't call bullshit would it be possible that they would have spent $200,000 of the taxpayers money on a completely unnecessary toy??


Was this approved by someone with authority to make a purchase like this? Is there $200,000 in an account somewhere labeled "tax payer funded Ultra4 car"?

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The light bar on those Camaros would deform the roof enough at high speeds that the side windows would lose their seal.
The Mustangs were not as fast but the door frames kept the windows in place and the spotlights worked just as well as that big ole light bar.
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They are revising the bid to include an AEV Dodge Megacab twin turbo Cummins on 22.5s and aluminum tripple axle gooseneck trailer.
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They are revising the bid to include an AEV Dodge Megacab twin turbo Cummins on 22.5s and aluminum tripple axle gooseneck trailer.
well you can't show up with your ultra 4 patrol vehicle on a shitty trailer behind a government fleet truck.

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They have a case of envy. Jack said the guys in Glamis had some pretty high zoot buggies down there when he had his Blazer impounded.
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Ya know Bebe, for all the "co-operation" us responsible wheelers have given the various authorities over the years, we still get boned. Look at Glamis, Johnson Valley, The Vegas Valley, Panamint Valley, all the trails back East, and of course the paving of the Rubicon.

I'm of the opinion now that don't give an inch of land, because we'll never get it back, so building these rigs as good-will gestures are not doing us any good. I'd love to hear an alternative POV, but the evidence is overwhelming.

We had an area NW of Vegas that we developed with the local BLM office, but they changed staff so often that we stopped staying in contact with them and just used it in it's "open use" designation, and when the newbie Ranger would stop by and question us, we'd pull out our maps from THEIR office and then go about enjoying our public lands. I know that's not an option with the Rubicon, but I think the less said to the .gov, the better. There are lot of employees on the .gov tit that just want a project so that they can get that next pay bump.

I know a lot of folks are disenchanted with Blue Ribbon because it doesn't seem like they're having a real effect on our loss of public land usage.
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So just because you called bs. I called a friend that was there with me.

I fucked up....
We were on foredyce and I have no idea how I even got confused.
So...

There is a ranger (guy who had the authority to write my friend a registration ticket) on Fordyce that claimed they had a locked jeep on 35's that they use to Guage the trail and decide when an area might need smoothing over or a little work done on a bypass line.

Either way I'm not sure why something similar wouldn't work on the con. That is all
FWIW this is true and you probably got ticketed by Joe. When FOF started doing trail work (couple re-routes and new trail) we had an older guy on 35s that was our test mule. If he got through we were good kind of thing....Long story short his health started to fail so now we use the FS Jeep as the test mule.
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Ya know Bebe, for all the "co-operation" us responsible wheelers have given the various authorities over the years, we still get boned. Look at Glamis, Johnson Valley, The Vegas Valley, Panamint Valley, all the trails back East, and of course the paving of the Rubicon.

I'm of the opinion now that don't give an inch of land, because we'll never get it back, so building these rigs as good-will gestures are not doing us any good. I'd love to hear an alternative POV, but the evidence is overwhelming.

We had an area NW of Vegas that we developed with the local BLM office, but they changed staff so often that we stopped staying in contact with them and just used it in it's "open use" designation, and when the newbie Ranger would stop by and question us, we'd pull out our maps from THEIR office and then go about enjoying our public lands. I know that's not an option with the Rubicon, but I think the less said to the .gov, the better. There are lot of employees on the .gov tit that just want a project so that they can get that next pay bump.

I know a lot of folks are disenchanted with Blue Ribbon because it doesn't seem like they're having a real effect on our loss of public land usage.
Absolute truth right here...That said, I am a bit of an optimist when it comes to BRC or Cal4wheel, because I have seen how hard it is to turn the tide first hand when it comes to this stuff. I don't claim to know what the answer is and I couldn't tell you if those orgs are doing enough but what is the alternative?
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So just because you called bs. I called a friend that was there with me.

I fucked up....
We were on foredyce and I have no idea how I even got confused.
So...

There is a ranger (guy who had the authority to write my friend a registration ticket) on Fordyce that claimed they had a locked jeep on 35's that they use to Guage the trail and decide when an area might need smoothing over or a little work done on a bypass line.
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Absolute truth right here...That said, I am a bit of an optimist when it comes to BRC or Cal4wheel, because I have seen how hard it is to turn the tide first hand when it comes to this stuff. I don't claim to know what the answer is and I couldn't tell you if those orgs are doing enough but what is the alternative?
The alternative is that major manufacturers need to form a real lobbying effort, with real dollars, not the 10's and 20's and 100's that the BRC gets. If these guys can afford to race a TT or Pro4 truck, they should consider spending some of that money so that their business has a future. I don't know how much is being donated by these companies, but it damn sure doesn't seem like much.
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I think the county is looking for a dependable vehicle that they can run on the trail week after week, year after year, without having to repair it constantly. Their experience with the JK's (on 35's, locked front and rear, with a winch) has been that after spending a summer on the trail they are going in for a complete rebuild.


There is so much misinformation and speculation in this thread, I don't even know where to start.
Then a buggy will be perfect , they never break or need maintence and most of them roll right out of the fab shop dialed in and never need to refined.
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Then a buggy will be perfect , they never break or need maintence and most of them roll right out of the fab shop dialed in and never need to refined.
Someone already suggested a FToy, or really a Doka would be perfect. Don't need driving skill with all that ground clearance and it's got a bed to bring out the occasional body. Plus with 90hp they're not going to be breaking parts.
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The alternative is that major manufacturers need to form a real lobbying effort, with real dollars, not the 10's and 20's and 100's that the BRC gets. If these guys can afford to race a TT or Pro4 truck, they should consider spending some of that money so that their business has a future. I don't know how much is being donated by these companies, but it damn sure doesn't seem like much.
In comparison to the people we are fighting there is no money. The manufacturers put up very little tbh
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They are cautious to spend money on the fight, and this needs to change.

The reality is, if there are no trails, there will be a huge change in market direction. To date, Hummer, now defunct , is the only manufacture to donate to trails and trail related projects.

Jeep and Toyota have done zero. The aftermarket is small in comparison, and it has done little, but definitely more than the big 3.

Until they contribute in proportion to the vehicles that you see on trails, we will always be on the defense.
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The problem is that someone who is being paid with tax dollars thought that was entirely o.k. If nobody said anything they would be on the long list of people who regretted buying an Ultra 4 car, and it's not even their money!!

Is it possible that the public will never see the new "bid" and someone's brothers cousin will end up selling them a $200,000 headache with no public knowledge?

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They can "kinda" do it like that.

My BIL and I used to do contract work for ElDoCo, and anything under $25k could be done without going out for bid. over $25k, and they had to post it publicly for a determined amount of time. The trick is, where they have the ad posted. sometimes they did it in the newspaper, and sometimes they did it in one of the trader papers with all the local ads in them, other times there was some small little paper outside of town they used that had very little circulation.

If they want to , they can place the ad where very few people see it except for the people who know to check with the county.

ElDoCo actually got in trouble for hiding bids before, back in about 2003-2004.
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Ya know Bebe, for all the "co-operation" us responsible wheelers have given the various authorities over the years, we still get boned. Look at Glamis, Johnson Valley, The Vegas Valley, Panamint Valley, all the trails back East, and of course the paving of the Rubicon.
Yep. The whole NEPA process, resource damage, and plant protection need to be attacked. Nothing will change unless their process change. We are screwed with the current system.
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