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Old 03-08-2016, 05:11 AM   #26 (permalink)
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All these 6.0 threads remind me how enjoyable it is, by comparison, to rub gravel in one's eyes.
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Old 03-08-2016, 05:22 AM   #27 (permalink)
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High Pressure Oil Pump HPOP is what they're talking about on your friends truck. No oil pressure in hpop = injector don't spray fuel

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So the injectors and or injection pump is lubed by a separate oil pump using engine sump oil and not lubed by Diesel? Is this common on newer Diesels? My Diesel experience is old stuff.....

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So the injectors and or injection pump is lubed by a separate oil pump using engine sump oil and not lubed by Diesel? Is this common on newer Diesels? My Diesel experience is old stuff.....
My google fu skills are lacking but it's easier than typing everything out

HEUI - How High-Pressure Oil Injection Systems Work - Diesel Power Magazine
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All these 6.0 threads remind me how enjoyable it is, by comparison, to rub gravel in one's eyes.
Other than injectors (which was the fault of Pilot Truck Stops fuel, not the truck) my 6.0 is humming right along and I couldn't imagine not having it.

Mileage isn't as good as my old IDI and I'm not willing to pour spent parts washer solvent or used engine oil in the fuel tank, but the transmission is one Helluva lot better than the IDI.

If you maintain a 6.0, drive it hard once in a while, and don't let it sit excessively, you'll be fine.
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The 03- early 04's used a different type of HPOP. It's known to go out from time to time. There are aftermarket pumps that don't have issues.

Since I was changing engines, I solved the problem by going with an 05 engine with the new style HPOP. New style lasts forever.
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The 03- early 04's used a different type of HPOP. It's known to go out from time to time. There are aftermarket pumps that don't have issues.

Since I was changing engines, I solved the problem by going with an 05 engine with the new style HPOP. New style lasts forever.
My friend's truck is an 05 he bought new...Forever was 10 years and 160,000 miles...
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The 03- early 04's used a different type of HPOP. It's known to go out from time to time. There are aftermarket pumps that don't have issues.

Since I was changing engines, I solved the problem by going with an 05 engine with the new style HPOP. New style lasts forever.
Most of the time it was the old two piece STC fitting that failed, not the actual pump and it was usually around 150K miles.
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My friend's truck is an 05 he bought new...Forever was 10 years and 160,000 miles...
05 was a funny year, at least for my January build date truck.

I would occasionally have to reference '04 information to find what I needed.
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HEUI - How High-Pressure Oil Injection Systems Work - Diesel Power Magazine
I'm diesel stupid. I'm assuming that is for diesel, not engine oil right?
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I'm diesel stupid. I'm assuming that is for diesel, not engine oil right?
Think of it as a hydraulic pump that uses engine oil for the hydraulic fluid.

The injectors are hydraulically actuated, which is how they eliminated the traditional injection pump the old diesels had. Each injector has an electric solenoid, that then uses hydraulic pressure to inject the diesel duel at extremely high pressure.
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So the injectors and or injection pump is lubed by a separate oil pump using engine sump oil and not lubed by Diesel? Is this common on newer Diesels? My Diesel experience is old stuff.....
In light duty engines, only ford uses this type of injection. Dodge and Chevy use a CP3 pump which does not use engine oil to function.

That is way over simplified, but answers the question.
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In light duty engines, only ford uses this type of injection. Dodge and Chevy use a CP3 pump which does not use engine oil to function.
Not sure about others, but the International / Navistar 7.3 uses hydraulic injectors with a HPOP as well.
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Not sure about others, but the International / Navistar 7.3 uses hydraulic injectors with a HPOP as well.
Yes, because its the same motor. I was leaving out mid/heavy trucks for confusion sake, but Ford light diesel motors were sourced from Navistar until the 6.4.
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In light duty engines, only ford uses this type of injection. Dodge and Chevy use a CP3 pump which does not use engine oil to function.

That is way over simplified, but answers the question.
I assume they are using the high high pressure direct injection ? What do the European and Japanese use?
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500 to fix sounds more like the STC fitting. I'd recommend swapping them out good or bad, if it's the old 2 piece style. Depending on HPOP pressure when they fail, they can crack the rear engine plate. That causes an oil leak that requires the engine to be pulled, and disassembled to fix.
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Old 03-08-2016, 10:15 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Might as well ask the Janitor at a Hospital about surgery you're contemplating.
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Might as well ask the Janitor at a Hospital about surgery you're contemplating.
Hmm, I think CG is reasonably well informed on this stuff................
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Hmm, I think CG is reasonably well informed on this stuff................
Maybe, but we sure as hell don't need it going to his head. Before you now it he will be petitioning the mods to change his username to CamaroAnd6OhGenius.
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External only? Quart of coolant a week? I would let that bitch keep on keepin' on. Hell it's spring. Go get a couple gallons of distilled and dump one in each month. Switch back to dumping in AF in november.
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Hmm, I think CG is reasonably well informed on this stuff................
He has one of these trucks, and has spent the last 6 months and thousands upon thousands of dollars trying to make this POS work. Now it's in someone elses shop. Sounds like an expert to me.
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External only? Quart of coolant a week? I would let that bitch keep on keepin' on. Hell it's spring. Go get a couple gallons of distilled and dump one in each month. Switch back to dumping in AF in november.
Seriously. I'd wait until it gave me a damn good reason to take all of that apart, it's not like you'd have to wait very long.
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He has one of these trucks, and has spent the last 6 months and thousands upon thousands of dollars trying to make this POS work. Now it's in someone elses shop. Sounds like an expert to me.
I can't speak for his skills or lack of skills but it's easy to criticize what someone else is doing...But this forum being what it is you gotta expect some harassment
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